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To: MarkBsnr
Interesting. How do they define themselves as Christians?

Simple, by the word itself - Followers of Christ.

All major heresies and most of the minor ones have their foundation in the Bible. That is why Jesus founded a Church of teaching authority, not a book of words. Jesus only wrote unknown words in the dust. He is the Word - the red letters in the Gospels. The word is written by men (except for what Moses received directly from God).

Hmmm....the NT was written by God-inspired men who wrote down what the Holy Spirit led them to write, including the "red letters" in certain versions of the Bible. As for the founding of the Assembly of called out believers from the world, led by men chosen by the assembly who were filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus and the Apostles never taught anything about a hierarchy of leadership, and very definitely not a clergy system.

The first heresies were failure to follow what the Apostles taught and instead take the traditions as taught by influential men who sought power over the assembly. History shows this, and it happened with the Apostle John was still living. It is also recorded in the NT for you to read. Start your search with open eyes and mind.

Good luck...

2,309 posted on 05/07/2010 5:13:51 PM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: Ken4TA
Simple, by the word itself - Followers of Christ.

Even more simple; most self described Followers of Christ aren't.

The first heresies were failure to follow what the Apostles taught and instead take the traditions as taught by influential men who sought power over the assembly.

The first heresies were Judaizing and Gnosticism. The later heresies were usually taught by bishops who had to be removed from the Church either at the time or even post mortem (ie Tertullian and Origen).

All heresies were perpetrated by men who thought that they knew better than the Church. Good luck with that...

2,325 posted on 05/07/2010 9:23:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Ken4TA
Interesting. How do they define themselves as Christians?

Simple, by the word itself - Followers of Christ.

Since they are missing the guidance of the Institution that Jesus labouriously created over his three years of ministry, and only have one of its created teachings and documents - the Bible - to go by, their following is like having a map, but not the translation. In the cases of the aftermath of the Restoration, or what the Reformed churches have degenerated into, their maps have not proven sufficient.

Jesus and the Apostles never taught anything about a hierarchy of leadership, and very definitely not a clergy system.

I'd suggest a second look at the Pauline letters and especially his relationships with Timothy and some of his other subordinates. The relationship of Luke to both Peter and Paul, and Mark to Peter might also be relevant.

The first heresies were failure to follow what the Apostles taught and instead take the traditions as taught by influential men who sought power over the assembly. History shows this, and it happened with the Apostle John was still living. It is also recorded in the NT for you to read. Start your search with open eyes and mind.

It is well recorded in the NT and in early Church history. Your website leaves little doubt as to which heresies you favour.

Good luck...

I'd prefer a prayer to Almighty God from a believer. I find that there is no such thing as luck.

2,401 posted on 05/09/2010 3:04:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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