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To: MarkBsnr
There is no mention of wife or children. Widowers can become priests and bishops - I had had a couple over the years. There are a number of married priests in the Church. The two permanent deacons in the two Catholic churches closest to my house are both happily married.

Ohh Mark, how Catholic of you...LOL

Priests married for a long time in the Roman church, it was only when they started willing the church property to their kids it became a "spiritual issue "

Under Pope Urban II priests’ wives sold into slavery, children were abandoned.

PCUSA came from the Reformation. The Anglican Church was originally Calvinist, not Lutheran (witness the WCF). The Congregationalists, the Lutherans, many of the Baptists, and so on have women pastors, ministers, and bishops. All children of the Reformation. As a matter of fact,
I would be grateful if you tell me which denominations (and their numbers) in the United States do not engage in any of the priestess, bishopess, open homosexual, married homosexual etc innovations that only started to intrude into Christianity about a hundred years ago.

All the churches that are still Calvinist or holiness

Those that wandered off into\arminianism

If you want to play the Peter was not married game..we could play the bible does not clearly exclude women for the diaconate or even preaching ...

Calvinist churches (reformation churches)do not ordain women or allow them to teach men ..

Catholic church has lots of rules..but very few really follow them.. they are double minded and every one looks the other way and pretends the church has moral superiority

So where are all the Catholics on Sunday? (attendance is a RULE of the church), How many 2 child families do you see? Half of Catholics see a priest at their first communion and again for the last rites, some may make it for Christmas or Easter ...but basically they are cafeteria catholics picking and choosing the doctrine they like .

2,233 posted on 05/07/2010 8:21:12 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

TRULY AND WELL PUT.

THX.


2,248 posted on 05/07/2010 9:43:15 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
Priests married for a long time in the Roman church, it was only when they started willing the church property to their kids it became a "spiritual issue "

Do you have any documentation as to the date, and how many men married in the Church when they were ordained?

All the churches that are still Calvinist or holiness

How many of them are in the US and what are their numbers? Do they make up less than 5% of the non Catholic Christian population? And shrinking?

If you want to play the Peter was not married game..we could play the bible does not clearly exclude women for the diaconate or even preaching ...

My point is that there is no record of Peter's wife or any children. I do not know if he was married at the time. It seems unlikely, given the rest of the NT. How many of the other Apostles were married - at any time?

Calvinist churches (reformation churches)do not ordain women or allow them to teach men ..

I suppose that the good Dr. E. is teaching ex-cathedra. :) However, the question remains about who are they and what are their numbers.

So where are all the Catholics on Sunday? (attendance is a RULE of the church), How many 2 child families do you see? Half of Catholics see a priest at their first communion and again for the last rites, some may make it for Christmas or Easter ...but basically they are cafeteria catholics picking and choosing the doctrine they like .

Far too many Catholics do not follow the Church - the appeal of the various Protestant destinations is the comparative ease or freedom of doctrine. That is not an incrimination of the doctrines of the Church, but rather, an incrimination of the catechesis, of which you have indicated was rather lacking in your case.

2,250 posted on 05/07/2010 10:28:24 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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