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To: count-your-change; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
count-your-change wrote tonight's most illiterate prottie attack:
Prayers to Msry IS worship of Mary, a no no by all means.
Conflating words, even misspelled, isn't much of an argument.
1,668 posted on 05/03/2010 9:42:49 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: narses
Truth of the statement is still so. To pray to Mary is to worship Mary and it's not the same as praying for someone. Being illiterate is not a sin.

But we know one of the sources of the Mary as Eve marchen.

“Irenaeus, Chapter XIX.-A Comparison is Instituted Between the Disobedient and Sinning Eve and the Virgin Mary, Her Patroness. Various and Discordant Heresies are Mentioned.

1. That the Lord then was manifestly coming to His own things, and was sustaining them by means of that creation which is supported by Himself, and was making a recapitulation of that disobedience which had occurred in connection with a tree, through the obedience which was [exhibited by Himself when He hung] upon a tree, [the effects] also of that deception being done away with, by which that virgin Eve, who was already espoused to a man, was unhappily misled,-was happily announced, through means of the truth [spoken] by the angel to the Virgin Mary, who was [also espoused] to a man.168 For just as the former was led astray by the word of an angel, so that she fled from God when she had transgressed His word; so did the latter, by an angelic communication, receive the glad tidings that she should sustain (portaret) God, being obedient to His word. And if the former did disobey God, yet the latter was persuaded to be obedient to God, in order that the Virgin Mary might become the patroness169 (advocata) of the virgin Eve. And thus, as the human race fell into bondage to death by means of a virgin, so is it rescued by a virgin; virginal disobedience having been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience. For in the same way the sin of the first created man (protoplasti) receives amendment by the correction of the First-begotten, and the coming of the serpent is conquered by the harmlessness of the dove, those bonds being unloosed by which we had been fast bound to death. (Early Christain Writings)

Mary “rescued the human race”?? from “bondage to death”???

Irenaeus comments show how these apostate doctrines had already permeated the thinking of the “church fathers”.
And now as tradition they are given equal weight as inspired Scripture by the Catholic church.

1,676 posted on 05/03/2010 10:23:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: narses; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg
count-your-change wrote tonight's most illiterate prottie attack:

Conflating words, even misspelled, isn't much of an argument.

Red pencils out: If the subject is plural, ie "words" then the verb must be also, ie "are".

Carry on, it's hilarious

1,742 posted on 05/04/2010 9:50:58 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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