Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
Depends on whether you think that the Church is lying about some things but is infallible on others.
Spiritual discernment and understanding is not about intellectual ability. You can be the most brilliant mind on the earth and an atheist or agnostic.
You said that we replaced Jesus with pagan feasts. Do you have any evidence of that?
Since the Church is the Creation of Jesus, anything that the Church created is obviously not pagan. The rejection of the Judaizers is still in effect 2000 years later. Does it smart?
On the contrary, we know plenty about RCC history, for one thing, that it has almost not history before about 350 AD.
We also know that every time we expose it, we're told that we're wrong and don't really know hat the RCC teaches.
Oh, So we can’t trust the oldest written manuscripts but we can trust oral tradition?
Word of mouth is more reliable than written documents which can be referred back to?
And just when were these oral tradition (alleged) teachings of Jesus written down to insure fidelity to the original, so that there was no chance of them being twisted of changed from the original over the course of hundreds or thousands of years?
What are the specific primary teachings of Jesus that the authors of the Gospels missed putting into writing?
I don’t care about an RCC.
I only care about the Church of Jesus the Christ. If you call yourself Christian, you ought to as well.
I don’t think that any church is infallible in any matter.
As for a *church* lying, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Catholic Church history is nothing to write home about and hardly puts them in any position to criticize anyone else.
What did I say about the oldest written manuscripts?
Word of mouth is more reliable than written documents which can be referred back to?
What did I say about written documents?
And just when were these oral tradition (alleged) teachings of Jesus written down to insure fidelity to the original, so that there was no chance of them being twisted of changed from the original over the course of hundreds or thousands of years?
Actually, 1500 years. But the answer is, gradually and over time. And there were approximately 80 versions of the Gospels, with multiple versions of each. And multiple versions of hundreds of books that were considered to be NT Scripture at one point or another.
That is if one believes the Holy Word of G-d. The Holy Word of G-d clearly states that
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
YHvH's Ekklesia was started in Deuteronomy 4:10.
It doesn't matter what you think about infallibility.
As for a *church* lying, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Catholic Church history is nothing to write home about and hardly puts them in any position to criticize anyone else.
There are moral absolutes. Therefore I will reject your statement. If the Church does not reject immorality, then, as we witness the shambles of the Protestant Reformation, nobody will.
The Word is Jesus.
The word is written.
I will follow Jesus; the Judaizers were rejected 2000 years ago as one of the first two major heresies. Not Christian. Why are you posting on Christian threads?
I am a Christian and do care about the real body of Christ, which is not the Roman Catholic Church. The true church the body of all believers, no matter what their denomination. Not all Catholics are Christians and not all Christians are Catholics. Salvation is through Christ alone, not through membership in some religious organization, especially one that’s as evasive about what it really teaches as the Catholic Church.
So, what specific primary teachings of Jesus did the authors of the Gospels neglect to pass down?
If the Roman Catholic Church claims to have written the Bible, then why did it neglect to put those primary teachings of Jesus in it? Why’d it waste its time with the less important stuff?
“No; the goodness of God wins out everytime, somehow. It is just so long in coming sometimes...”
So does his justice but as Peter said, God only seems slow.
And so, “Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.” (2 Peter 3:14)
How is oral tradition more reliable than written documents if the written documents can’t even be considered reliable?
What are the specific primary teachings of Jesus that the Catholic Church neglected to put into writing for how many years? (since 500 AD or 1,500 AD?)
Is that like transferring priests caught in scandals from one parish to another?
When is the Catholic Church going to start putting its foot down about the abortion issue and stop refusing to serve communion to those who support it?
Relevance to #2415 please?
“Are you accusing me of lying?”
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No, I’m accusing you of repeating an ancient lie that you’ve had pounded into your mind by the adversary’s minnions.
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Because Jesus created the Church as a teaching institution, not a literal one. We believe that the teachings are correct, even though the translations (as has been proven) are in error to some degree or another. What are the specific primary teachings of Jesus that the Catholic Church neglected to put into writing for how many years? (since 500 AD or 1,500 AD?)
Well, for one thing, the regard for Mary. St. Luke painted (wrote) the first icon of Mary, for instance. The Eucharist is obviously not Scriptural enough for the Protestants, so there is another oversight. Purgatory. These are all teachings that existed from the very beginning. Yet a re examination of Scripture in the 1500s found them to be wanting.
Yah'shua (Jesus) was, is and will always be a Jew.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachSo if you hate Jews as it sounds,
I know He has said:
44 "Then they themselves also will answer,Seek the face of Yah'shua in His Word.
'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty,
or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison,
and did not take care of You?'45 "Then He will answer them,
'Truly I say to you, to the extent
that you did not do it to one of
the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'46 "These will go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life."
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