Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
People that believe in sola scriptura know what the gospel is and that Pauls letters were considered scripture in the new church .
Could I ask what measurement you use to determine if a teaching or “prophecy’ is true?
How do you know who Christ is?
When a person goes to confession, they are not typically confessing to sins against the priest.
Matthew 6 is part of the Sermon on the Mount, it was preached to the people, it was not private instruction to the Apostles.
That would include John, who wrote 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
So, by the Catholic church reasoning, John exercised his authority to forgive sin by offering a blanket forgiveness to all who confess their sins, the criteria being that they confess their sin. And since he didn't specifically state to whom, and since God is the one doing the forgiving, one can conclude that simply confessing to God is good enough.
Yeah...but most jokes I hear about heaven start out with "This guy/woman went to Heaven and met St. Peter at the pearly gates...."
The rest of the world sure gets their theology from the various "sources" that be. It's a common misconception that seldom gets corrected that St. Peter is the "doorman" of heaven.
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
I never suggested otherwise.
It was opined that in Matthew 16 that Christ didn't give Peter the authority to bind or loose sin, John 20 demonstrates that that opinion is false.
So, by the Catholic church reasoning, John exercised his authority to forgive sin by offering a blanket forgiveness to all who confess their sins, the criteria being that they confess their sin.
I have never heard of an occasion where a priest refused to forgive a sin.
I am not arguing the Catholic position only that Peter was given a special privilege as were other of the apostles.
Peter was just one of the foundation stones of the church not the corner stone.
That said, my days of engaging this kind of debate are long past. You guys blew it on contraception long ago, and have no claim to orthodoxy whatsoever, and thus are not worthy of debate.
Yeah, I’m with you. If they want to try to prove to each other who hates the Catholic Church the most, more power to them.
Which fits in very well with Peter's vision in Acts 10 and God's command to go to Cornelius and the Jews recognition that the Gospel was meant for the Gentiles, too.
A man used to sit home on Sunday to watch tv and his wife was a goodly sort, so she went to church. When the pastor came around to inquire why he didn't come to church, he said "Oh I let my wife go for me, she takes care of that."
So as it happened, the wife and the husband due to some accident, died at the same time. At the pearly gates, the wife went on in, but Peter stopped the husband. The husband said "why what's the problem?" and Peter said, "No problem, it's just that your wife has gone in for you."
yes, after all stewards are traditionally “given the keys” to the estate, household, etc. Good stewards would be keeping order and making decisions. The apostles and disciples were going forth as leaders and needed to act in conjunction with God, doing His will, not their own.
From the Online Dictionary:
“thou 1 (ou)
pron.
Used to indicate the one being addressed, especially in a literary, liturgical, or devotional context.
[Middle English, from Old English th, second person nominative sing. personal pron.; see tu- in Indo-European roots.]”
Note the “singular, nominative” part. Thou in the quote is Peter.
ie, verily verily I say unto thee.
Unless one can prove that for some reason only Peter was commissioned with building the church, which doesn't make any sense, the "thee' in that pericope can be seen as plural
And not forgiving someone their sins is God's will? I don't think so.
You know, if Catholics didn't claim that Peter or priests had the power to bind up and not forgive sin so that a person ended up damned, they'd have a lot easier time with those verses.
What kind of person, claiming to be a representative of Christ on earth (who forgave freely) would bind another's sins to them, knowing it would damn them to hell?
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That kind of power in the hands of corruptible men can only lead to trouble, as the history of the Catholic Church demonstrates.
In what way does my refusal to judge another human soul have anything to do with me giving holy things to dogs, or casting pearls before swine?
It's surprising that a well read Christian wouldn't understand. I'll elaborate.
The most holy thing you have to offer God the Father is your worship and praise through God the Son. When RC's bow down and worship Mary they are giving what is holy to a dead Christian rather than God the Father.
If we have been forgiven freely, we are to forgive freely. There is no need to even think of giving someone the power over another person to not forgive them and bind their sins to them.
yes, what did He say, forgive 70 x7. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Oh, different rules for the priests and the popes than the believers?
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