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Nifonging the Catholic Church
me ^ | April 18, 2010 | vanity

Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne

I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.

Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.

I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!

Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!

Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!

What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?

Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?

Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: denialnotrivernegypt; excuses; falseaccusations; koolaidcatholics; moralrot; moredeflection; nifong
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To: MarkBsnr

what?


681 posted on 04/22/2010 6:45:38 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com

Yes?


682 posted on 04/22/2010 6:47:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

jc is the bible


683 posted on 04/22/2010 6:48:06 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com

What’s a ‘jc’? And how is this ‘jc’ the Bible?


684 posted on 04/22/2010 6:49:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: xzins
And the Lord has removed the candlestick. A long time ago.

Thus the Reformation.

685 posted on 04/22/2010 6:50:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Thus the Reformation. “

ROTFLMAO!


686 posted on 04/22/2010 6:52:16 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Judith Anne; Religion Moderator; Dr. Eckleburg
This thread is not about me. Quit concerning yourself with who I like and don’t like in the Bible.

Judith Anne, you made gave your opinion on the Apostle Paul. You repeated it. You opened the door.

We are responding to your statements. If you don't want your opinions discussed/debated perhaps your shouldn't toss them out there for all of us to see.

687 posted on 04/22/2010 6:55:36 PM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: narses

And thus, scorn for the truth.


688 posted on 04/22/2010 6:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

BWAHAhahwahawahaaaaa.......


689 posted on 04/22/2010 7:19:38 PM PDT by narses (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Does your local "alter Christus" know you believe this?"

The only "another Christ" I am aware of is the Paul per the heretical Pauline theology you profess.

690 posted on 04/22/2010 7:41:30 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Do you “despise Paul,” as Judith says she does?"

I despise what has been done with the once completely supportive message of Paul by those who hijacked it, corrupted it, and bent it to the will of their heretical revision.

691 posted on 04/22/2010 7:44:06 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Judith Anne
I don’t dismiss St. Paul. I just don’t like him. Or much of what he wrote.

Then you're essentially saying that you don't like what God had put in the Bible, or your church fathers either.

2 Peter 3:15-16 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

692 posted on 04/22/2010 7:46:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne
"Please point to the verse where I stated that I dismissed 1/3 of the NT, or dismissed the Pauline Epistles."

What you actually posted is not of consequence. Like the lies about the Pope being a Nazi this will linger in cyberspace and tribal memory for generations.

693 posted on 04/22/2010 7:47:47 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

I concede infallibility to Scripture, not a process.

God preserved Scripture and used men to do it but that in no way mandates that others recognize Apostolic Tradition in the way that RC’s do nor does it put tradition at the same level of Scripture.

Jesus had a lot to say about the tradition of men, that which men added to Scripture, and none of it was very good. I guess some denominations never learned the lessons from the Scripture they claim they wrote.


694 posted on 04/22/2010 7:50:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"That's Trinitarian Calvinism right there."

That's the Pauline Heresy for those of you in Rio Linda.

695 posted on 04/22/2010 7:54:10 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: wmfights; Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg
To: Dr. Eckleburg

I also find it difficult to believe that any presbyterians read the gospels. They sure do concentrate on those freaky Pauline epistles. St. Paul got a few things right, but he was likely just as loony as his protegee, Calvin.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Calling God breathed Scripture *freaky* is sitting in judgment of God. Not a position I'd like to find myself in.

Aren't you just so special, JA, that you feel so free to condemn the works that your church fathers designate as Scripture.

696 posted on 04/22/2010 7:54:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gamecock
"You repeated it. You opened the door."

Then discuss her opinion, stop discussing her. If you want to discuss her I am sure that there are a number of social and singles sites you could frequent.

697 posted on 04/22/2010 7:59:34 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; Quix; Judith Anne
Well, if the apostle Paul was insane, then what God inspired him to write can be discarded.

Then we'll need to chuck out Romans, I & II Corinthians,Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians,1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and likely Hebrews.

What's left of the NT then? The gospels, I and II Peter, James, I, II, III John, Jude, and Revelation.

698 posted on 04/22/2010 7:59:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xzins

Thank you for this post.

It’s common sense—something that isn’t always in evidence here.


699 posted on 04/22/2010 8:00:30 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: metmom
"I concede infallibility to Scripture, not a process."

Then show me something in the Gospel that said that the Holy Spirit was going to retire as soon as He finished the canon.

700 posted on 04/22/2010 8:02:12 PM PDT by Natural Law
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