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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; RnMomof7; xzins
[Re: Mark 16:15] Every creature, everywhere; the entire world. The Reformed God does not demonstrate great love, only limited love and limited mercy.

We agree that the Gospel should be preached everywhere to everyone. No one disputes that here. God shows His great love by choosing to save even ONE of us since none of us can merit Heaven. There is no Biblical rule saying that God can only have great love if He loves all people equally. That rule was invented by men. The truth is that God does indeed have great love for His children. However, the Bible is clear that not all people are God's children.

And when you criticize "limited love" and "limited mercy" don't forget that your own versions of God's love and mercy are VERY limited too in that you require acts of men to get (or earn) that love and mercy. Our view limits grace and mercy to God's sovereign will in choosing His elect (your view does not), and the Catholic view limits them to man's decisions to comply with requirements using their free wills (our view does not). So, if you see limitations on God's grace and mercy as being a bad thing, then the Catholic God is in the same boat as the Reformed God.

158 posted on 03/02/2010 12:58:15 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Forest Keeper
We agree that the Gospel should be preached everywhere to everyone.

Why do you agree to it? What use is the Gospel to the Reformed? If the elect are predestined for salvation, what effect does the Gospel have for them? If the reprobate are predestined for hell, what effect does the Gospel have for them?

God shows His great love by choosing to save even ONE of us since none of us can merit Heaven. There is no Biblical rule saying that God can only have great love if He loves all people equally.

Nobody says that He does. The parable of the talents shows otherwise. However, He does give all talents ie the means for salvation.

However, the Bible is clear that not all people are God's children.

No; those are the Jews. The Gentiles are able to be grafted into the true vine.

And when you criticize "limited love" and "limited mercy" don't forget that your own versions of God's love and mercy are VERY limited too in that you require acts of men to get (or earn) that love and mercy.

Negative. I'm surprised after your extended talks with Kolo that you would say this. God love and mercy are unlimited. His atonement extends to all men. There is no earning; but there is Judgement.

Our view limits grace and mercy to God's sovereign will in choosing His elect (your view does not), and the Catholic view limits them to man's decisions to comply with requirements using their free wills (our view does not).

The Catholic view is not stated correctly. God's Grace is extended to all and enables all to come to the wedding feast. Some refuse to come and are left in the outer darkness. Some attend and are found to be unworthy and are ejected into the outer darkness. The rest, who comply with the Commandments of God and His teachings, will be accepted at the feast.

So, if you see limitations on God's grace and mercy as being a bad thing, then the Catholic God is in the same boat as the Reformed God.

Negative. The Reformed theology calls for limited atonement, limited mercy and limited salvation. The Catholic theology calls for this to apply to all men; the preaching of the Gospel is to convert all men to God, not merely a mechanical exercise.

190 posted on 03/02/2010 4:44:01 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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