Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu
The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:
Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14
Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18
Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41
Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29
Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29
Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22
Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15
Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34
Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19
An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9
An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3
Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16
Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14
Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)
The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25
Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22
The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)
The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.
Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.
Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.
Isaiah 40:8 (King James Version)
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Matthew 24:35 (King James Version)
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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I am not disputing “The Eternal Word of God!”
The Lord said His word shall not pass away
not the written records of His words they are two different things.
This is even in the LDS scriptures testified to the words spoken in the Bible!
b D&C 1: 38 (37-39)
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
Moses 4: 30.
30 For as I, the Lord God, liveth, even so my words cannot return void, for as they go forth out of my mouth they must be fulfilled.
Josh. 21: 45.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
1 Kgs. 8: 56.
56 Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
D&C 45: 23.
23 And in this ye say truly, for so it is; but these things which I have told you shall not pass away until all shall be fulfilled.
What I am saying not ALL of the written word that the Lord has spoken is anywhere to be found!
“God who is able to preserve his word just like he said he would.” ~ boatbums
Explain to me boatbums where are the the second set of tables of stone that Moses wrote when he received the Word of God?
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So his words will not pass away, but the written words are different? Just how are they different some thousands of years after he said them if they are not in written form? Is there some everlasting echo?
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I know I have trouble with writing but not understanding the written word!
the Bible is a record many 3 or 4 generation removed from the original copies which contained the original revelation the Lord gave to His Prophets.
The eternal word of God is not being disputed it is not having the original manuscripts to discern the errors that have creep in over the thousands of years.
Sense you wonder where the plates are to the Book of Mormon tell us Elsie where is the second set of stone tables that Moses wrote upon when talking to God?
Well...did you see that Monty Python movie? :o)
What do you think happened to them? If God wanted them in his preserved Words to all mankind for all time, don't you believe they would be in there? Is God somehow not powerful enough, not mighty enough, not smart enough?
I don’t mean to be, what’s the word, antagonistic, but this whole post strikes me as a thinly veiled attempt to bring doubt upon the Bible we have. It’s kinda like when Satan said to Eve, “Did God really say...?”.
I don’t mean to be, what’s the word, antagonistic, but this whole post strikes me as a thinly veiled attempt to bring doubt upon the Bible we have. It’s kinda like when Satan said to Eve, “Did God really say...?”.
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well it is not things in the scriptures need to be ponder many times when one reads the verse they want to run all of the meaning togather but many times when one ponders over and and pray to the Lord expressing what you believe it means the Lord will valid or say nothing if it is not so.
Another one to ponder is many folks think Jews are all of Israel but when one ponders and studies one becomes a aware there were 12 tribes and Judah was one of them not all of them!
Thus all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews, because there are descendants of the other tribes of Israel also upon the earth
A good popular book on the subject is: “Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why”
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Actually that is completely incorrect. I know Bart and have worked with him. Sadly he is what many of us call a ‘fallen scholar’. IOW, his atheism and hatred of Christianity has had a negative effect on his scholarship and he is no longer considered to be a good or reliable source much like what happened to Hugh J. Schonfield.
Ehrman has become like the crazy aunt at the family picnic, you are polite but avoid him at all costs.
For someone to suggest Misquoting Jesus as a good or reliable source shows they don’t know much about the field. It would be the equivalent of an ‘armchair Egyptologist’ recommending E.A. Wallis Budge.
While the books of the Bible contain references to scripture that is currently unavailable, there are also many different versions of the Bible which contain different books. It is a false notion that the Bible has been and is a fixed set of scripture. Various editors have removed and added books to their version of the Bible based on their beliefs. Further the text of the Bible has been altered by copyists over the centuries.
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Typical disparagment of the Bible.
As early as the 4th century we have the full canon listed IN THE CURRENT ORDER. The ‘varients’ of the Bible are miniscule mostly involving word order or spelling variations that are easily determinable. There are less than 250 actual variants and NONE of those affect matters of faith or doctrine.
I would recommend, as introductory works, From God To Us:How We Got Our Bible - Norman Geisler (Author), William Nix (Author) and also The Canon of Scripture by F.F. Bruce.
You are right, according to what I have Bart Ehrman is an Agnostic, not an Atheist.
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He is actually now an Atheist. He told me that personally.
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