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To: vladimir998

The posted article claims Catholics have a higher standard - “Non-Catholic Churches do not exact so high a standard of their followers as does the Catholic Church of hers.”

So I pointed out that many Catholics feel very free to ignore that standard, whatever it is, and a standard that followers are not held to is not a standard you can boast about.

If I started a school, and boasted that OUR students had to be rocket scientists, you’d be well within your rights to point out that 45% failed to meet grade standards set by the state.

You don’t allow divorce - but you allow annulments. You rather oddly don’t allow birth control, but very few Catholics pay any attention to that restriction. Shoot - Catholics are more likely to accept abortion than Evangelicals.

I did not write nor post the article. I’m only commenting that it is unfair to boast of having such high standards if your adherents don’t pay attention to them.

“We don’t allow birth control. How many Protestant sects can claim that?”

Hopefully, NO Protestant ‘sects’ claim that. Protestants use the Scripture for a guide, and I don’t remember any verses about condoms in the Bible.

So - how many Catholics OBEY your no birth control standard?


17 posted on 07/11/2009 7:31:09 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

You wrote:

“The posted article claims Catholics have a higher standard - “Non-Catholic Churches do not exact so high a standard of their followers as does the Catholic Church of hers.””

Actually THE CATHOLIC CHURCH has a higher standard. That’s what the quote says. And that’s the truth.

“So I pointed out that many Catholics feel very free to ignore that standard, whatever it is, and a standard that followers are not held to is not a standard you can boast about.”

And do you think those Catholics are living up to the standards of the Catholic Church?

“If I started a school, and boasted that OUR students had to be rocket scientists, you’d be well within your rights to point out that 45% failed to meet grade standards set by the state.”

That’s a lousy analogy. The Church is a hospital for sinners. It’s standard is perfection - as set by God Himself - bt all the patients, no matter what the standards, are still ill with sin.

“You don’t allow divorce - but you allow annulments.”

So what? A divorce is not an annulment. And an annulment is not a divorce. Pointing out we have annulments while Protestants allow divorce and remarriage (generally) does not show a high standard for Protestants and does not show a low standard for Catholics.

“You rather oddly don’t allow birth control, but very few Catholics pay any attention to that restriction.”

Again, the Church has high standards. The very fact that so many people fail to meet it shows how high that standard is. All you’re doing is showing that the Catholic standard is higher than the Protestant one.

“Shoot - Catholics are more likely to accept abortion than Evangelicals.”

No. I know some polls say that, but I don’t buy it for a second according to what a Catholic actually is. Also, again, the standards say othewise. The fact that people fail to meet it shows how high it is. Evangelical Protestantism in a sense can’t even claim to have a standard because they all disagree as to what it is. Almost all so-called evangelicals believe abortion is just fine in some circumstances. I remember being shocked when the supposedly pro-life Jerry Falwell (or was it Pat Robertson?) when he said abortion was okay in some cases. Those are leaders. Where are our religious leaders who actually advocate abortion? No where. Higher standards.

“I did not write nor post the article. I’m only commenting that it is unfair to boast of having such high standards if your adherents don’t pay attention to them.”

But millions of them to pay attention to them. I’m one of them. You have millions of Protestants who religiously (pun intended) adhere to your lower standards too. And even those lower standards are at least close to orthodoxy in some ways.

“Hopefully, NO Protestant ‘sects’ claim that. Protestants use the Scripture for a guide, and I don’t remember any verses about condoms in the Bible.”

And abortion isn’t in the Bible either. Not a single verse. You might want to contact Protestants Against Birth Control and read the book by the Protestant Charles Provan called the Bible and Birth Control. Some things were so OBVIOUS to the ancient Jews that it apparently didn’t need to be stated in scripture.

“So - how many Catholics OBEY your no birth control standard?”

Not enough. How many non-Catholics obey the lower Protestant standards and murder the unborn and not allow the next generation of Christians to be born? Too many.


24 posted on 07/11/2009 8:06:56 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Mr Rogers

“So - how many Catholics OBEY your no birth control standard?”

Lots of us do and always have. There is a small minority of very lound CINOs that give all of us a very bad name. Another thing annulment isn’t given to everyone who wants one. It’s not like you can just throw your hands up and get one easily.


50 posted on 07/11/2009 2:57:28 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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