Posted on 03/03/2009 7:44:26 PM PST by delacoert
Your thesis sucks.
You mean like THIS?
In McConkie's letter he makes the startling admission that even the Prophet can teach false doctrine in "fundamental and basic things" that can result in the loss of the soul:
"I do not know all of the providences of the Lord, but I do know that he permits false doctrine to be taught in and out of the Church... If we believe false doctrine, we will be condemned. If that belief is on basic and fundamental things, it will lead us astray and we will lose our souls .... This clearly means that people who teach false doctrine in the fundamental and basic things will lose their souls. The nature and kind of being that God is, is one of these fundamentals. I repeat: Brigham Young erred in some of his statements on the nature and kind of belng that God is and as to the position of Adam in the plan of salvation .... If we choose to believe and teach the false portions of his doctrines we are making an election that will damn us: (page 7)
The question that must be asked is, How can a "True Prophet" of God teach doctrine that would result in the loss of the soul? The obvious conclusion is, Brigham Young was a "False Prophet" and if McConkie's guidelines are used, Brigham Young has lost his soul. However, McConkie still maintained Brigham Young as a "mighty prophet" who "led Israel the way the Lord wanted his people led" and has gone on to "eternal exaltation": (page 6)
If McConkie is to be believed, the Prophet can teach false doctrine and still go on to eternal reward, but his followers may "lose their souls" and be "damned."
President Heber C. Kimball also insisted the leaders be followed even if they were wrong:
"But if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it. None of your business whether it is right or wrong." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 32)
The Ward Teachers message for June, 1945, warns the L.D.S. about doing "their own thinking":
"When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy.... He [Satan] wins a great victory when he can get members of the Church to speak against their leaders and to 'do their own thinking'" (Improvement Era, page 354)
Although the Mormon Church claims to have a "Living Prophet" which is necessary to guide the Church, McConkie cautions gospel students against building life philosophies from quotations of Presidents of the Church:
"Wise gospel students do not build their philosophies of life on quotations of individuals, even though those quotations come from presidents of the Church: (page 7)
McConkie then turns right around and insists that he and the leadership of the Church must be obeyed even if they lead the Church astray:
"You do not have a divine commission to correct me or any of the Brethren .... If I lead the Church astray, that is my responsibility, but the fact still remains that I am the one appointed with all the rest involved so to do: (page 9)
"Thinking people" will quickly recognize the danger in following the council of the leaders of the Mormon Church.
With Bruce McConkie's admission that "President Young did teach" the Adam-God doctrine, Mormons are faced with the reality that Brigham Young clearly broke the first commandment and taught others to do the same: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3)
The Bible condemns a prophet who teaches about a different God than the only true God:
"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die: (Deut. 18:20)
The New Testament foretells of false prophets who shall come teaching "damnable heresies" deceiving many:
"But there were false prophets also among the people even as there shall be false teachers among you. Who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of:" (II Peter 2:1,2)
The Bible gives record of what can happen by following a prophet or leaders that teach lies:
"The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of this people cause them to err, and they that are led of them are destroyed:" (Isaiah 9:15,16)
In light of Biblical tests for a "true prophet" Brigham Young was clearly a FALSE PROPHET, and claims by Mormons of a so called "priesthood authority" through Brigham Young are null and void. Honest, "thinking Mormons" can reach only one possible conclusion--The Mormon Church is not a divinely led institution.
Would you say that someone that teaches false doctrine is going to hell?
Yes, I would. I would also say that someone who has been shown the truth, yet CHOOSES TO BELIEVE A LIE, is going to hell. That is why so many of us share the inaccuracies, lies, contradictions, historical problems and doctrinal errors of Mormonism with members of the LDS church.
In addition, we share the good news of the Gospel of Grace and the True Jesus Christ of the Bible with them.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” - Ephesians 2:8-9.
Your thesis sucks.
Sorry; but the BOOK does...
Romans 11:33-35
33. Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!
34. "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"
35. "Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?"
It's amazing that MORMONs can accuse in this manner; when THEY follow the claims of a man who left behinf NO evidence of ANYTHING!
(Well... there IS that, ahem, Book of Abraham that has been PROVEN to be absolutely bogus...)
Let me predict that NO mormon on these threads will take a stab at that!!
You DO have a templete:
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Temple Recommend Questions: 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? |
In this thread you have been posted with QUOTES from MORMON leaders.
Are THOSE the ANTI-MOPRMON rants you refer to?
If not, then what this statement says is that you are biased against Christians - exactly like those quotes.
No matter how loud Christians shout my Founder & subsequent Leaders words; I can still ignore them.
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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY CHAPTER 14
An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks— 2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded. 3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end. 4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him. 5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish. 6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God. 7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken. 8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea. 9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil. 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. 11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. 12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw. 13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God. 14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory. 15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth. 16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things— 17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel. 18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! 19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe. 20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been. 22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world. 23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men. 24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see. 25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them. 26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel. 27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel. 28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw. 29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me. 30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.
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COOL!!!
Sweetie!
WhereEVER did you get those LOVELY colors>
And in SUCH a thread as THIS?
Are you saying you like RAINBOWS??
(nudge - nudge & wink - wink)
Would you say that someone that teaches false doctrine is going to hell?Reaganaut harshly responded with:
Yes, I would. I would also say that someone who has been shown the truth, yet CHOOSES TO BELIEVE A LIE, is going to hell.Ok, so now that we have that established...
A girl has to try. :)
So, would you mind pointing out which side of modern “Christianity” is going to hell please?
Those who teach a FALSE Christ. Like the Mormons.
Reaganaut harshly responded
Ascribing me motives? Now, Now, that is “making it personal”.
You asked a question. I answered.
I thought Storme would like is since he enjoys greyfoxx's font selection so much.
You can call me sweetie, but just don’t call me late to dinner. :)
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