Posted on 01/21/2009 8:54:24 AM PST by NYer
Bigotry needs its black legends to sustain itself. On this thread you will undoubtedly see the split tongue of Satan flicking his hatred as those who hate Christ’s Church unwittingly do the deceiver’s will.
Hear ... hear ... such poetic prose and at this hour of the evening ;-) An apt response.
Many thanks.
Great article but I’m betting it’s caused a few cases of spontaneous combustion.
Long article...Hardly any mention of Jesus, or Christians...Anyone surprised???
There is not now nor ever has been division in the universal "church".. Denomination is a thing of the flesh.. As Roman 8 intones.. The church is in "spirit".. Always has been always will be.. Doctrinal differences mean nothing..
I especially love numbers 5-1.
I love being Catholic and have long felt that God coded us genetically to thirst for the Church. The Sacraments are there for our spiritual AND psychological health.
There’s nothing like being a Catholic. You feel more whole. It just satisfies on every level: mental, spiritual, emotional, physical. I think God set it up that way so that we would recognize it when we encountered it.
No other religion encompasses our humanity and our human greatness as well: our history, our art, our deeply intellectual faith are all the culmination of God’s likeness in man. No other religion is as in touch with it as Catholicism.
I get sappy about it, but nothing in my life has brought me the joy and completion that being a Catholic has. I thank God every day that I am Catholic.
How can the church start at Pentecost? If it was something new, why were three thousand ADDED to the church? Peter at Pentecost is not telling Israel that Jesus died for their sins. He’s telling them they killed their Messiah. He’s not preaching the cross as good news. He’s preaching a murder indictment against Israel.
That is a mitre, first mentioned in Exodus 28. As for Christ, as Scripture tells us, there is much He said and did which we do not know.
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." John 21:25
Not surprised to see that the usual suspects are wandering in displaying their ignorance.
Is there one God or three? Is Mohammed his messenger? How about Joseph Smith? These are all doctrinal differences...
1 And when the days of the Pentecost were accomplished, they were all together in one place: 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a mighty wind coming, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them parted tongues as it were of fire, and it sat upon every one of them: 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the Holy Ghost gave them to speak. (Acts 2)
The sermon of Peter, one of many, follows. But it is not true that it is only an indictment of the Jews, it also proclaims the gospel forcefully:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know: 23 This same being delivered up, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you by the hands of wicked men have crucified and slain. 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it. 25 For David saith concerning him: I foresaw the Lord before my face: because he is at my right hand, that I may not be moved. 26 For this my heart hath been glad, and any tongue hath rejoiced: moreover my flesh also shall rest in hope. (Acts 2)
Here it is, the entire gospel of salvation.
Revelation talks of the 10 Spirits of God..
Is God 1..,3.., or 10 Spirits?..
Answer: God has as many Spirits as he needs to have..
As Exodus ch 3 implys to Moses.. God is who he is..
A puny human cannot concieve of who and what God is..
I Cor 2;9 also implys that we may not be able to understand much about God.. as a formula or "doctrine".. "We" barely understand who and what "WE" are.. if "we" indeed do at all..
More nasty things have been done in the name of "hard doctrine" than in the lack of hard doctrine.. When considering doctrine seems that the "Holy Spirit" is ignored or considered a pain in the ass and/or impotent.. by those doctrines..
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And one thing we know for certain...Jesus didn't tell you or anyone you know what those things were...So why bring it up??? It doesn't pertain to you...
How can you love that which you cannot concieve of? Further, I can concieve of Him quite well - such is the miracle of the Incarnation.
More nasty things have been done in the name of "hard doctrine" than in the lack of hard doctrine
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household.'" ~ Matthew 10:34-36
It is almost as if Jesus said such doctrines would be hard and may create strife.
You cannot.. even if you think you can..
[ Further, I can concieve of Him quite well - such is the miracle of the Incarnation. ]
Apes also think they understand things around them too.. and they do on a certain "level" of understanding..
[ "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household.'" ~ Matthew 10:34-36 ]
Voila!.. denominations..
[ It is almost as if Jesus said such doctrines would be hard and may create strife. ]
Doctrines create the walls of the sheep pen(s).. (John ch 10).. You seem to be making my point.. actually not my point but Jesus' point..
Did Christ ever tell us to do only what He does, and not what He did not?
Did Christ ever wear blue jeans? Drive a car? Use a computer? Have you?
So, in your view, a man cannot love God? A sad state, especially as that is the greatest commandment.
English has one word for love.. but love is more complicated than that.. A proper understanding of the greek words for love(NTestament) must be understood.. to grasp the meanings of many verses.. The "kind" of love is mandatory to get the meaning.. Example: when Jesus said to Peter(Cephas) three times do you love me.. he used several words.. with unique meanings.. Lost in English(mostly)
Love can be "an act", a deference, a humbling of oneself..
Assuming you are correct about Jesus’ usage of different words (I don’t have time to go look at the Greek), you are helping to prove my point. Are we supposed to love God in the same way as Peter, or is Christ’s command to love God different for the Apostles than it is for us?
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