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To: irishtenor
I completely agree. Let me state clearly, along with you, “nowhere in Scripture does it say that a man MUST be celibate to serve the Church.” This is indisputable.

But lest you forget, the tradition of a celibate clergy is one of Apostolic Tradition, not Scriptural mandate. The decision, over time, of the Western Church (remember, the Eastern Catholic - in union with Rome - and Orthodox Churches have always ordained married, as well as celibate, men) to enforce a rule of celibacy among those ordained to the priesthood, is one of practice, not of Dogma. It is a venerable tradition that can be changed, if the Church so chooses.

That being said, the Church has maintained this tradition (celibate clergy) as the norm for ordination for over a thousand years now, though freely-chosen celibacy seems to date back to the Apostolic era. You must remember, that Apostolic traditions carry much weight on the decisions of the Church. The Church came before the Bible and she derives authoritative beliefs as well as venerable traditions from both Scripture and Tradition.

Priestly celibacy is not an unchangeable “big T” Tradition (i.e. from the once-given Deposit of the Faith in Scripture and Apostolic Tradition). But, the Church and her leaders were given authority by our Lord to bind and to loose (i.e. to make binding decisions). For many years now, the decision has been made in the Western Catholic Church to require celibacy of those that she considers for ordination to the priesthood. She may be led, one day, to loosen that restriction, but for now it is the law of the Church.

36 posted on 12/11/2008 10:27:37 AM PST by DogwoodSouth
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To: DogwoodSouth

But the words, the context...

An overseer MUST be a husband of one wife... not should be, may be, could be, it would be nice if...

I really think that there is a need for a man to be with a woman,and not just for the sex. God made Eve for Adam even though Adam was walking day by day with God. God said it is not good for man to be alone, and I have to agree. Countless times my wife has reminded, encouraged, comforted, consoled, and otherwise been there for me when I needed her. She has been a gift from God. To me. Together we make quite a formidable pair, working in the church. I would be a lot less complete without her. Woman is God’s gift to man, and we should all rejoice in that. To deny someone THIS gift in order to do God’s work is, in my not so humble opinion, the wrong thing to do.


39 posted on 12/11/2008 12:05:09 PM PST by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: DogwoodSouth
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49 posted on 12/11/2008 8:06:48 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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