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The Sunset of Darwinism
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| 06.04.08
| Julio Loredo
Posted on 06/13/2008 8:50:06 PM PDT by Coleus
Praised until recently as dogma, Darwins theory of evolution is now fading away, discredited by the same science that bore its poisoned fruit. Instead, the Christian vision of a supernatural design is being increasingly affirmed. Evolution is now a datum proven beyond any reasonable doubt and no longer a theory, its not even worth taking the trouble to discuss it. This is what a spokesman proclaimed at the Festival of Science held in Genoa in November 2005, thereby neglecting a very important aspect of modern sciencethe need to be open to new perspectives. Instead, the truth is quite the opposite. Paradoxically, evolutionists are taking an ever greater distance from empirical science and are wrapping themselves up in a dogmatism that borders on ideological fanaticism.
Unprovable Hypothesis
What is left, then, in evolutionism, that is valid according to the scientific method? Nothing, actually nothing! This is the conclusion of
journalist Marco Respinti in his recent book
Processo a Darwin (Darwin on Trial, Piemme, 2007). He continues: "Not one of his postulates can be verified or certified based on the method proper to the physical sciences. His whole claim escapes verification. Based on what, therefore, other than on strong prejudices of an ideological nature, can anyone affirm or continue to affirm that the evolutionist hypothesis is true?" Indeed, the consistency of a scientific theory is founded on its capacity to be verified empirically, be it through observation of the phenomenon in nature or by reproducing it in the laboratory. The evolutionist hypothesis fails on both counts. Thus, Respinti shows, Darwinism remains simply an hypothesis devoid of empirical or demonstrable foundation, besides being unproven. . . . The evolutionist hypothesis is completely unfounded for it does not master the very domain in which it launches its challenge.
Respinti reaches this verdict after a rigorous trial of Darwin in which he analyzes the main arguments that debunk the notorious theory, ranging from nonexistent fossil records to the conflict of Darwinism with genetic science and the flimsiness of the synthetic theory of neo-Darwinism, without forgetting the countless frauds that have stained notable evolutionists in their insane quest to fabricate the proofs that science tenaciously denied them. Respinti concludes by denouncing the ideological drift of the evolutionist school: To categorically affirm the absolute validity of the theories of Darwinian and neo-Darwinian evolution based on the claim that discussing them would be unscientific by definition, is the worst proof that human reason can give of itself.
A Long Sunset The sunset of the Darwinist hypothesis has picked up speed over the last two decades. For example, consider the work carried out by the Osaka Group for the Study of Dynamic Structures, founded in 1987, in the wake of an international interdisciplinary meeting convened to present and discuss some opinions opposed to the dominant neo-Darwinist paradigm. Scientists from all over the world participated, including the outstanding geneticist Giuseppe Sermonti, then a professor at the University of Perugia, Italy. In 1980, together with Roberto Fondi, now a professor at the University of Siena, Sermonti wrote
Dopo DarwinCritica allevoluzionismo (After DarwinA Critique of Evolutionism, Rusconi, 1980). Biology, Sermonti explains, has no proof at all of the spontaneous origin of life, or rather biology has proved its impossibility. There is no such thing as a gradation of life from elementary to complex. From a bacterium to a butterfly to man the biochemical complexity is substantially the same. For his part, Fondi shows that from the first appearance of fossils to this day, the variety and riches of living beings have not increased. New groups have replaced older ones, but the intermediate forms that the evolutionists have so frantically searched for do not exist. The theory of evolution, Sermonti and Fondi conclude, has been contradicted as have few other scientific theories in the past.
In Le forme della vita (The Forms of Life, Armando, 1981), Sermonti unveils other obstacles to Darwinism. According to the renowned geneticist, the random origin of life and the gradual transformation of the species through selective change are no longer sustainable because the most elementary life is incredibly complex and because it is now proven that replacement of living groups takes place by leaps rather than by degrees. Putting together forty years of experience, in 1999 he wrote
Dimenticare DarwinOmbre sullevoluzione (Forgetting DarwinShadows on Evolution, Rusconi, 1999). With rigorous argumentation, the author demolishes the three pillars of Darwinism: natural selection, sexual mixing and genetic change. According to him, history will remember the theory of evolution as the Big Joke.
Not Just Creationists
Sermonti has been often accused of being a creationist or a religious fundamentalist even though he has always said he does not fit his scientific vision into a Christian perspective, and this yet one more aspect to note in the polemic against Darwinism, which many people other than Christians also contest it. In this sense, it is interesting to note the recent editorial in
Il Cerchio, Seppellire Darwin? Dalla critica del darwinismo agli albori duna scienza nuova, ("Bury Darwin? From a Critique of Darwinism to the Dawn of a New Science") containing essays by seven specialists including Sermonti, Fondi and Giovanni Monastra, director of Italys National Institute for Food and Nutrition Research. The title refers to the famous phrase by Chandra Wickramasinghe, a professor of applied mathematics of the University College of Cardiff, The probability that life was formed from inanimate matter is equal to 1 followed by 40,000 zeros . . . . It is large enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution.
From Dimenticare DarwinOmbre sullevoluziones introduction: For the first time in Italy, a critique of Darwinism is presented in all its complexity thanks to the interdisciplinary contribution of scholars of several orientations[b]eyond the polemic between neo-Darwinian fundamentalists and religious integralists, the essay demonstrates how the critique of the now old neo-Darwinist paradigm opens the doors to a new science.
A Crisis of the Positivist Paradigm Francis Crick, who together with Watson discovered the structure of DNA, openly declared, An honest man, armed only with the knowledge available to us, could affirm only that, in a certain sense, the origin of life at the moment appears to be rather a miracle, In the same wavelength, Harold Hurey, a disciple of Stanley Miller who made history with his failed attempt to recreate life in the laboratory from a so-called primordial broth, said, All of us who studied the origins of life uphold that the more we get into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved in any way. Indeed, a lot of faith is required to believe in evolutionism, and it is precisely that faith, of a clearly positivist
[1] mold, that is now beginning to weaken.
In
Darwinismo: le ragioni di una crisi (Darwinism: The Reasons of a Crisis), Gianluca Marletta sticks his finger in the wound by observing that The crisis of Darwinism is above all a crisis of the philosophical paradigms that allowed its success. One cannot understand the origin of this doctrine, Marletta explains, without going back to the cultural climate of triumphant positivism straddling the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. According to Marletta, Darwinism constituted a wonderful occasion to strengthen the positivistic view of the world being affirmed at that time. Darwinism represented the perfect tool to transplant, into the biological field, the mechanic and materialist paradigms already imposed on the social sciences. This is the true motive of this theorys success. A motive that now begins to subside with the crisis of the positivist paradigm. This explains the almost fanatical tenacity with which evolutionists are defending their convictions. Many fear, concludes Marletta, that the fall of Darwinism can bring down with it the whole positivist vision of the world.
Gods Comeback
The crumbling of positivism is bringing back to the limelight issues that a certain conventional wisdom thought to have definitively eliminated. Shaken from the sudden crumbling of old certainties, worried about the chaos that increasingly marks this postmodern age, many people are once again asking the fundamental questions: Does my life have a transcendental meaning? Is there an intelligent project in nature? In short, does God exist? Sociologist Rosa Alberoni wrote about this in her book,
Il Dio di Michelangelo e la barba di Darwin (The God of Michelangelo and Darwins Beard), published last November by Rizzoli with a preface by Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council Justice and Peace. The onslaught of Darwins worshippers, Alberoni explains, is carried out by the usual destructive atheists obsessed with the goal of stamping out Christ and destroying the Judeo-Christian civilization after having sucked its blood and essence. This sullen assault, however, in the deeply changed ambience of post-modernity, risks being counterproductive: The monkey myth is what really shook ordinary people. Like soldiers woken up by an alarm in the middle of the night, Christian believers and [O]rthodox Jews prepared for the defense. Or rather for the war, because that is what it has become . . . [o]n the symbolic level, the bone of contention is the ancestor of man: God or a monkey? Should one believe in God or in Darwin? This is the substantial nature of the ongoing clash in our civilization.
In other words, a real war of religion looms in the dawn of the Third Millennium. Precisely that which secularists have tried to avoid at all cost.
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KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evolution; intelligentdesign; supernaturaldesign; tfp
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To: Fichori
There are many volcanic rocks interspersed between the fossil layers in the rock recordlayers that were obviously deposited during Noahs flood. So it is quite plausible that these fountains of the great deep involved a series of volcanic eruptions with prodigious amounts of water bursting up through the ground. It is interesting that up to 70 percent or more of what comes out of volcanoes today is water, often in the form of steam. [excerpt] What happened to not relying on unproven and untestable hypotheses?
We've seen flooding associated with volcanic activity, but the volcanic eruptions caused the flooding (melting ice and snow on the volcano). Not the other way around.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:31:03 AM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: Fichori
Burying that kind of stuff in a volcano does seem like asking for it, doesn't it. So where do the creation scientists say we should bury it, and what do you propose we should do in terms of political activism to correct the situation?
There's no shortage of political activism from the left wanting it shut down. They know shutting down that facility will effective cripple our nuclear power industry for decades.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:35:43 AM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: LeGrande
"No, but I can put all the base elements for DNA in a bag and shake it around and get DNA. Would it match your DNA? No, it certainly wouldn't, but that isn't the point is it?" [excerpt]
By that same token, you should be able to put all the ingredients of an animal in a blender and get a living creature.
When I say DNA, I'm NOT talking about a chemical soup.
"It appears to me that ID agrees 100% with the theory of evolution except that the ID'ers believe God started the evolutionary process. And since the TOE doesn't say anything about how life was created I fail to see the conflict." [excerpt]
It may certainly appear that way to you, but that doesn't mean your correct.
I believe in ID, and the idea behind ID is contradictory to Evolution.
I also don't believe that God started the 'Evolutionary Process'
(I belive that God designed all genetic information, which has, since the fall, Devolved.)
I'm pretty sure Berkley would disagree with you about TOE. ;)
BTW, TOE claims a net increase of usable information, TOC claims a net DECREASE of usable information.
Thats a pretty clear contradiction.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:40:22 AM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: Coyoteman
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:43:17 AM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: tacticalogic
You and context seem to have parted ways.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:44:55 AM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: Fichori
You and context seem to have parted ways. The only difference in context is who's ox is getting gored.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:57:48 AM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
I would be perfectly happy if you took longer and replied once to a post instead of quickly replying multiple times.
So where do the creation scientists say we should bury it, and what do you propose we should do in terms of political activism to correct the situation?
There's no shortage of political activism from the left wanting it shut down. They know shutting down that facility will effective cripple our nuclear power industry for decades.
I am well aware that shutting it down will be harmful to our economy/military.
My understanding of them deciding to use Yucca Mountain is that there were politics involved. (not good)
What needs to be done?
I think a bunch of objective scientist need to put their heads together and, without political influence, come up with a safe solution that is not based on dangerous assumptions.
Then, when a safe alternative has been come up with, Yucca Mountain can be phased out. (and emptied)
But, once again, there are politics involved, so, lets hope Yucca Mountain doesn't blow. ;)
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:59:41 AM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: Fichori
I think a bunch of objective scientist need to put their heads together and, without political influence, come up with a safe solution that is not based on dangerous assumptions.By "objective" sceintists, do you mean scientists working from Biblical/YEC assumptions?
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:05:31 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: Fichori
My understanding of them deciding to use Yucca Mountain is that there were politics involved. (not good)It was a public policy decision. Politics are going to be involved.
Should deciding where to store it be a religious decision, left to the theologians to find the answers in their Bibles?
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:10:25 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: Fichori
I would be perfectly happy if you took longer and replied once to a post instead of quickly replying multiple times.I'll try to do better
Then, when a safe alternative has been come up with, Yucca Mountain can be phased out. (and emptied)
You want all of us to disregard all the scientific evidence that says this is a perfectly good place to store it, and pay to build and have it moved to a new facility somewhere else to be consistent with your interpretation of the Bible.
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:18:43 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: tacticalogic
"The only difference in context is who's ox is getting gored."
Actually, it was really a strawman.
what you replied to (and excerpted) said:
"So it is quite plausible that" [excerpt].
To which you replied:
What happened to not relying on unproven and untestable hypotheses?
We've seen flooding associated with volcanic activity, but the volcanic eruptions caused the flooding (melting ice and snow on the volcano). Not the other way around.
And what is interesting is what I said and you
didn't include in your excerpt:
"The flood is generally associated with volcanic activity:" [excerpt]
Very clever strawmen.
Where did I say the flooding caused volcanic activity?
What I did say is that the flood and volcanic activity are associated.
What you did was
partially agree with something
similar to what I said, that 'We've seen flooding associated with volcanic activity', but then you pulled out your strawman and said 'but the volcanic eruptions caused the flooding', which is totally irrelevant to a discussion about a universal flood.
(except for the fact that, as that article pointed out, volcanic eruptions could have been a driving force of the flood.)
I never said that the flood was the exclusive cause of volcanic activity.
Quit playing games and grow up.
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:21:50 PM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: Fichori
Very clever strawmen. Where did I say the flooding caused volcanic activity?Maybe I misunderstood your post. You said (and I quote):
However, scientists starting from YEC axioms may still be able to determine that the volcano is indeed extinct. (it could have been a result of the Noachin flood, etc)
On review that seems a little ambigous. It's either a claim the flood may have caused the volcano, or that it ws already active, and the flood made it go inactive.
I interpreted it to mean the flood caused it. If you meant instead that the flood may have made the volcano go inactive, then I'll submit the same question to that hypothesis. How can you test and prove that such a flood did in fact occur, and that it would permanently quench an active suupervolcano?
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:46:04 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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To: atlaw
Information from Jack Chick is not allowed at all. Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the Religion Forum.
To: tacticalogic
I apologize for my ambiguity.
By the Noachin flood, I meant the actual flood waters and all associated geological/volcanic activity.
In other words, there were lots of mountains after the flood that did not exist before the flood.
(and having been directly part of the flood, may not become active again, unless we have another flood.)
Once again, my apologies.
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:53:09 PM PDT
by
Fichori
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To: Religion Moderator
Ooops!
I forgot this was on the RF!
I will try to be more careful.
Thanks for the reminder.
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:56:57 PM PDT
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Fichori
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Comment #257 Removed by Moderator
To: Fichori
The decision of where to store nuclear waste should be a scientific one, not political or based on philosophical assumptions that are akin to religious dogma.The YEC assumptions you say the decisions must be based on are not "akin to" religious dogma. They are explicitly religious dogma.
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posted on
06/16/2008 1:06:53 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: tacticalogic
"The YEC assumptions you say the decisions must be based on are not "akin to" religious dogma. They are explicitly religious dogma."
(
I'm going to assume that was not an intentional strawman)
I was talking about the philosophical assumptions of Evolution that directly contradict the evidence, and are akin to religious dogma.
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posted on
06/16/2008 1:16:57 PM PDT
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Fichori
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To: Fichori
I was talking about the philosophical assumptions of Evolution that directly contradict the evidence, and are akin to religious dogma. This isn't about evolution. It's about rocks. Nobody is claiming that rocks evolve.
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posted on
06/16/2008 1:36:57 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
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