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To: tiki

Explain please.


4,872 posted on 06/11/2008 12:18:14 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary; wagglebee
Okay, I'm using HTML, I sacrificed for clarity.

I guess I have to get specific then.

What you responded to: I don’t pretend to know the hearts of everyone who claims to be a Christian but yes, if they accept and believe what the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches they are Christian.

What was conveniently ignored. if they accept and believe

So the church makes them Christian?

Who said that, the Catholic Church teaches the true and complete faith, it makes no-one become anything. There is no magic potion.

The church doesn’t have much to do with personal salvation.

Bias, anyone? Not unless you take into account that the Catholic Church has held the faith intact and hands it on in succession. And once again, it isn‘t all about personal salvation. It all is about doing the will of God, it is about being a part of the Body of Christ on Earth. It is all about what God wants not what I think He wants filtered through my own personal biases. And yet, I am no robot, I studied for years before becoming a Catholic. I thought I had all I needed in a Protestant church and belief and that there was no reason to rock the boat. That I might have all I needed didn't mean I had it ALL. I am a Catholic by spiritual, Scriptural, intellectual, historical, reasoned, knowledgable choice. God gave me a mind and the Spirit gives me guidance.

No, I don’t believe all protestants (or Catholics) are Christians.

I don’t believe we’re called to speculate, especially when some persist in misconceptions and sometimes outright lies to define any faith. I think that our vocation is to live our faith, actions speak much louder than words. The heart and the spirit matter to God and we can see neither.

When they put their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and have a true relationship with Him, confess their sins to Him, live for Him, then they are Christian.

Nothing new here, it has been taught for 2 millennia by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

No rites can save you.

I’m pretty sure that you have already been told numerous times that no Catholic believes that rites save but who would refuse a personal encounter with Jesus Christ our Savior in the Body and the Blood, in His Soul and Divinity? That same Jesus that you have a relationship with on paper and in spirit is present to Catholics in His Entirety.

Not I. Only YOU can make the decision to live for Christ and take Him as your Lord and Savior.

I and most active Catholics and the Catholic Church has definitely done that. The gates of hell have not and will not prevail against the Catholic Church. Jesus promised it, wise and holy men and women have historically and spiritually affirmed it and I believe Jesus, who’s words were remembered and preserved by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

See if you can do this. Read John 6 and tell me why you think so many disciples left Jesus at that time.

4,914 posted on 06/11/2008 2:04:49 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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