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To: Antoninus
I see. So when a homeless guy asks me for change, he's worshiping me?

If you're not THERE when he asks you, than you're right, it's not worship, rather its a typical sign of delusional psychosis.

In English it's not been since the 1600s that the phrase "I pray thee" was used to simply ask for something apart from supernatural prayer and worship. The issue is not respect for great saints, or the humility to ask others to pray for you--something I do routinely to my brothers who are alive. Do you?

But you and I, like the homeless man, cannot ask someone something if they are not present, and cannot hear us.

God alone is omniscient; neither Mary, nor any of the other saints in Heaven are--and I challenge you to show me where in holy Scripture citizenship in heaven for humans implies gaining God's omniscience or omnipresence.

There is no difference between humbly begging your brother who is alive on earth to pray for you than there is humbly begging St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Andrew, St. Therese, or St. Bernadette, all of whom are alive in Heaven, to pray for you.

Ummm, just WHY is that, just because you assert it? Please prove to me from the words of the Apostles that the saints in heaven can hear us, just like the saints we speak to on earth can.

I and my fellow magisterial Protestants actually venerate and respect the greatest Saints of all--the original Apostles--MORE than any Roman Catholic, in that we obey their words recorded in holy Scripture, even when they do conflict with the traditions of men, invented long after them.

And please notice I have not given one word of personal insult to you in return to the insulting manner you addressed me.

1,470 posted on 06/03/2008 10:35:59 AM PDT by AnalogReigns ( Quinque Solor!)
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To: AnalogReigns
God alone is omniscient; neither Mary, nor any of the other saints in Heaven are--and I challenge you to show me where in holy Scripture...

Catholics are not burdened by the man-made error sola scriptura.

...citizenship in heaven for humans implies gaining God's omniscience or omnipresence.

Unnecessary.

1,472 posted on 06/03/2008 10:38:52 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: AnalogReigns

You do a masterful job, imho.

Thanks.


1,677 posted on 06/03/2008 5:46:08 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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