The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[tiki]

You beat me to it.

[tiki]

I guess it must be right if a lot of people believe it and it is on the internet.

[Quix]

I assume that a number of RC’s are quite capable of hating infanticide without hating the murderers. After all, Christ commands us to love our enemies.

I know that quite a number of us Prottys are, by God’s Grace capable of loving individuals while hating habits, customs, idolatries of every stripe etc.

The fact that hereon some RC’s seem to be unwilling and/or incapable of relating to Prottys from that perspective is fascinating, to a point.

The fact that some RC’s hereon DEMAND that Prottys accept and respect the RC’s description of the RC’s inner heart attitudes, motives, perspectives vis a vis Mary while refusing to accept Protty’s insistences that we do not hate any individual RC’s hereon . . . is further more than a little fascinating in it’s dukplicitousness.

It’s also an interesting experience of denial, group-think; in-group vs out-group hostilities etc.

My 2 cents, of course.

[OLD REGGIE]

Nor did I say it was.

I owe you an apology. After tracing all the way back to the 300's it became evident I confused a post from another as yours. (The first time ever.)

I offer my sincere apology.

[Quix]

Greatly appreciate your prayers and kind words.

[Uri’el-2012]

May Yahshua our wonderful Moshiac bless you and keep you, and may he
cause his face to shine upon you, and grant you his shalom. May our
master, who has already conquered sin, cover Yisrael with divine
protection. May her enemies be scattered and flattened, bowing at the
feet of Yahshua in teshuvah. May they be renewed before it is too late....

Blessings on you and yours

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua

[Judith Anne]

I’m just asking you, since there is such an issue about Catholics not being able to “interpret scripture for themselves” who interprets scripture for protestants? There’s a lot made of the fact the protestants are free to read and interpret scripture for themselves, right?

[Marysecretary]

Welcome back, old FRiend! I’ve missed your unique style.

[Marysecretary]

AMEN!

[Marysecretary]

Moi?

[Quix]

THANKS TONS for your kind words.

More importantly, thanks tons and tons and tons

for your masterful and Holy Spirit brilliance in doggedly coming up with the different thread categories to meet every need and sensibility.

I pray that God Himself is increasingly stern in a tough love way with folks who selfishly, arrogantly, parochially, blindly, narrowly DEMAND, INSIST that ONLY THEIR constructions on reality have FR’s permission for expression.

I’m prayerfully getting tougher with myself about any unnecessary divisiveness. However, that does not mean I won’t be just as forceful and fierce about the truth; about error; about sinful idolatries etc.

Some of us, by God’s Grace, really do have the capacity to deplore ideas, habits, practices, beliefs which we find in violent contradiction to Scripture and God’s Scriptural priorities

WITHOUT

feeling anything but caring, love toward the most fierce of our opponents.

That’s just a fact.

Playing political manipulation games with constructs like “hate” and “bigotry” are transparently duplicitous and horrid. Folks who do so are not fooling anyone and least of all God. Playing such games in a deliberately deadly assaultive way on the universal Body of Christ is not likely to amuse nor please our Heavenly Father.

And, some of us will be persistently tasked to speak up forcefully about such priorities.

God has a faithfulness out of His Love for us to gore all our sacred oxen. He uses events, circumstances, loved ones, even our sworn and committed enemies—everything in that faithful training of us.

In my experience, those authentic Christians

WHO

LOVE GOD FIRST, FOREMOST AND ALWAYS BEYOND ALL ELSE

will persistently say uncle, Yes, Lord, I repent, Lord; help me overcome and alter my behavior and heart attitudes, Lord. Help me keep the sacred cows slain, Lord.

Those who continue at some level in some corners of their person to maintain a death-grip on their sacred cows

will persistently throw dust in the air; wail, whine, rationalized, manipulate, control, play political games etc. . . . all for the most “RELIGIOUSLY RIGHTEOUS” sounding reasons.

But God sees through all such games.

And, so do a lot of simple, humble, flawed humans.

[Quix]

WRONG

again.

[Judith Anne]

No problem. These are looooong threads!

[Religion Moderator]

Thank you for the support on the thread tags. You might want to click on my profile page for all the latest.

Hopefully, all the Religion Forum posters will be able to find the "niche" that fits their personal need for worship and dialog. The objective is for all RF posters to have a voice without any one group dominating over the others.

[Quix]

AMEN! I agree in prayer with your prayer.

Likewise twice back at you and yours.

Let God arise and His enemies be scattered.

[Quix]

Thanks deeply for your kind words and email encouragements during my absence.

Health and wholeness to every cell and fiber of your body. May healing be full and complete or an organ donation more speedily available.

LUB

[Quix]

Thanks to you for all your gracious sacrificial doings for all of us and especially for The Kingdom of God.

Will check your home page again shortly.

RM: Hopefully, all the Religion Forum posters will be able to find the “niche” that fits their personal need for worship and dialog. The objective is for all RF posters to have a voice without any one group dominating over the others.

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To my mind, observation and experience—that’s basic horse sense. I realize you have a more stable mind than a lot of the rest of us put together. But anyone should realize that or start over in kindergarten.

It’s fascinating that self-righteousness seems to be wedded to idolatry.

But most of us learn to put away childish things and grow up enough to realize that

OUR

family, block, neighborhood, congregation . . . whatever

simply

does

NOT

have a corner on absolute truth.

That ‘god,’ idol, perspective of thought and belief

is just toooooooooooooooooooo small for

ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES; OF THE BIBLE.

[OLD REGGIE]

Welcome back. (Though you never really went away). :)

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your insights and that beautiful Scripture!

So far, I haven't received a reply to point me in the right direction. And perhaps an "official" list with sources doesn't yet exist.

Your example is a great case-in-point that such a list would be very illuminating.

Marantha, Jesus!!!

[Quix]

I know, I know . . .

how can you miss me if I never go away! LOL.

Thanks for your kind words.

LUB