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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Mad Dawg

Extremely well put.

Though difficult enough for some of us with different sorts of Daddys in our childhood . . . to wrap our trust around.

Sigh.


4,521 posted on 06/10/2008 9:02:53 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Mad Dawg
Amen! Praise God!!!
4,522 posted on 06/10/2008 9:03:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mgist
Are you saying that this is the scripture that determines that we can only act or believe in something if it is specifically in the Bible?

I won't say sola scriptura. But I will say that this scripture says that even given a limited subset of the scriptures, they were more trustworthy than the apostles very words. This is just one of the many places where the scriptures are highly honored. Yet on the original topic, you just don't see this of Mary. Mary is so secondary to the idea of protties pleading with RCs to honor the scriptures.

4,523 posted on 06/10/2008 9:05:00 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Just for giggles, for looking at purposes, try this:

Doing good works is how salvation works in us, it isn't FOR salvation, it IS salvation (or being in salvation, or something like that.)

4,524 posted on 06/10/2008 9:06:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: mgist
We can only know God in Truth. Apart from that whatever may seem Godly is as the bible says "filthy rags".

All that is known of God through Marianism is exactly that, filthy rags. Knowing God through His Holy Word is Knowing God.

4,525 posted on 06/10/2008 9:16:23 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster
The Catholic religion is similiar to that of the Jews, we have a long history, and a lot of tradition. It is totally incorrect to say all Catholics act in a certain way, because there are billions of us and we are all different.

I have to share with you the fact that I have always wondered why Jews, Israelis in particular, were so distrustfull of Christians who supported Israel. It made no sense.

I now see how strange it is for them, having had a long relationship with God, for some people to come along and claim they weren't saved etc.

That is not the God we know. Man's first sin, was to think we could be like God, by eating the forbidden fruit. Man's second sin was to destroy his brother. God is the only one with universal knowledge and only He is perfect. Christians are called to love each other.

If you don't think Jesus' mother is relevant, that's up to you. Please don't throw mudd and nasty generalizations at Catholics to prove your point. It makes us all look bad.

4,526 posted on 06/10/2008 9:17:39 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Quix
Well, FWIW, here's what I think.

"Old man" [Pauline sense, NOT in sense of father ;-) ] doesn't trust, sits around and grumbles in his Marguerita.

God grants faith to us, and other graces.

We don't feel like it. We feel like the same jerk we always were (only our joints hurt more now.)

God says, "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes? I say you are my precious child, my son. Whaddya gonna do NOW, wise guy?"

So, we take a leaf out of God's book and impute to ourselves the faith we don't feel like we have, the faith we don't find in ourselves. Yeah, we feel as we feel, and we can learn from that. But we DO as God gives us to do. Sometimes it's almost like saying, "Let's pretend. Let's pretend I can do what God wants me to do, trust as God wants me to trust. Why then I'd do such and such. So I'll just go do such and such, and let God take care of my crappy flawed intentions and feelings."

FWIW

4,527 posted on 06/10/2008 9:19:01 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: mgist; Quix
My experience as a life long Catholic is that relatively few American Catholics look to Our Lady, for help in their prayers.

I would imagine your experience doesn't include the flood of immigrants from South and Central America.

This is considered the most important religious festival in Mexico And on this day the entire country will express the strong pride that they have in their patronage, their history and their traditions.

Day of Our Lady of Guadalupe


Note the emphasis on Mary.

4,528 posted on 06/10/2008 9:20:17 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

It’s a patron saint day.


4,529 posted on 06/10/2008 9:22:22 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg

You may have something there.

Pondering.

Thx.


4,530 posted on 06/10/2008 9:29:30 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: mgist

Well put and worthy points.


4,531 posted on 06/10/2008 9:30:39 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I always go to travel blogs for religious, social, and theological information.

Or not.

4,532 posted on 06/10/2008 9:30:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Oh That’s worth a great deal, Dear Bro.

Grabbing my old man and getting him to toe that

trust bit is still more of a challenge than I’d like to admit, however.

The other seems to be so . . . genetic, reflexive . . . sigh.


4,533 posted on 06/10/2008 9:31:55 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Thnx.

Back to work

Later.


4,534 posted on 06/10/2008 9:32:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
This is considered the most important religious festival in Mexico And on this day the entire country will express the strong pride that they have in their patronage, their history and their traditions.

The reason this event takes place Reggie, is because Our Lady presented herself to a native Indian in Mexico in 1531, prompting the conversion of millions of human live baby sacrificing indians, to Jesus. There is a long beautifull history behind many traditions. She became the patron of the unborn.


"Our Lady of Guadalupe"...


It really isn't a sinister plot. Some of my catholic friends get mad at me for mentioning the apparitions, (which have led to many conversions in our Christian history) because most have not been approved of by the church. I personally think they are lovely messages. For example, Fatima warned us of communism. In any case, she always leads us to Jesus. I am not speaking on behalf of all Catholics.

4,535 posted on 06/10/2008 9:35:26 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Alamo-Girl
The light we shine into the world is Him, not us. AMEN!

Thank you for those verses from Scripture. They are so beautiful.

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

"The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalms 27:1

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. – I Thessalonians 5:5


4,536 posted on 06/10/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, dear sister in Christ!

And I'm thrilled over the passages you selected to highlight. That Jesus Christ is the brightness of the Father's glory, is one of my most treasured meditations!

To God be the glory!

4,537 posted on 06/10/2008 9:54:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: OLD REGGIE

“This is considered the most important religious festival in Mexico And on this day the entire country will express the strong pride that they have in their patronage, their history and their traditions.

Day of Our Lady of Guadalupe”

That’s like saying the Irish worship St. Patrick over God.


4,538 posted on 06/10/2008 9:55:19 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
John 12:46-47

I came into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me might not remain in darkness. And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I do not condemn him, for I did not come to condemn the world but to save the world.

I love this verse. If my Lord does not condemn me, certainly my brother shouldn't.

4,539 posted on 06/10/2008 9:56:39 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Philo-Junius
That’s like saying the Irish worship St. Patrick over God.

BINGO!!!!!!

4,540 posted on 06/10/2008 9:57:54 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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