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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: sandyeggo
Longevity is not the criteria for truth, or mold would be a lot more sought after.

It is a blasphemous prayer.

3,001 posted on 06/05/2008 9:06:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Your editing verges on the disingenuous: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/co-star co·star Audio Help /n. ˈkoʊˌstɑr; v. ˈkoʊˈstɑr/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. koh-stahr; v. koh-stahr] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -starred, -star·ring. –noun 1. a performer, esp. an actor or actress, who shares star billing with another. 2. a performer whose status is slightly below that of a star. –verb (used without object) 3. to share star billing with another performer. 4. to receive billing of slightly less status than that of a star. –verb (used with object) 5. to present (two or more actors) as having equal billing or prominence. 6. to present as having slightly less status than that of a star.
3,002 posted on 06/05/2008 9:07:00 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius
While alive and on earth, we are to pray for each other's welfare. We are to pray to God alone, who alone hears our prayers.

Nowhere in Scripture is anyone directed to pray to anyone other than the Triune God.

3,003 posted on 06/05/2008 9:09:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Thanks for substantiating your point so well, even in the face of all this mindless deflection.


3,004 posted on 06/05/2008 9:11:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sandyeggo; OLD REGGIE
The links came from vatican.va which we were told last week was the internet mouthpiece of the Vatican.

Today, apparently that has changed.

No surprise there.

Next week, it'll probably be back to square one...again.

3,005 posted on 06/05/2008 9:13:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And now we’re back to the definition of “to pray.”

Why, praytell, is this such a difficult concept?


3,006 posted on 06/05/2008 9:13:29 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: sandyeggo; OLD REGGIE; Quix; 1000 silverlings; DungeonMaster
968 Her (Mary's) role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

May God forgive those who believe this lie. Mary did not "cooperate" in Christ's "work of restoring supernatural life to souls."

But we see now where the concept of "co-redeemer" comes from -- directly from the RCC catechism.

3,009 posted on 06/05/2008 9:23:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sandyeggo
Neither longevity nor repetition make the prayer any less blasphemous.

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." -- Matthew 6:7-8


3,011 posted on 06/05/2008 9:27:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Mary did not ‘cooperate’ in Christ’s “work of restoring supernatural life to souls.’”

Perhaps now I’ll receive a reply if I repeat my thought experiment, then:

If the Blessed Virgin had asked Christ to come down from the Cross, and make atonement, say, by shedding a single drop of His infinitely precious blood, would or would not Christ, as a perfect observer of the Law, have been obliged in filial piety to do so?


3,013 posted on 06/05/2008 9:29:21 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: sandyeggo; OLD REGGIE; Quix; 1000 silverlings; Marysecretary
DR.E. Mary did not "cooperate" in Christ's "work of restoring supernatural life to souls."

SANDY: Yes, she did in her assent and submission to the will of God at the anunciation.

John the Baptist agreed and submitted to the will of God when he baptized Jesus.

Did John the Baptist "cooperate" in Christ's "work of restoring supernatural life to souls?"

3,014 posted on 06/05/2008 9:31:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sandyeggo

It’s vain alright.


3,015 posted on 06/05/2008 9:31:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Doesn’t anyone who submits to the Holy Spirit cooperate?

Or are those saved powerless to resist salvation?


3,016 posted on 06/05/2008 9:33:56 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Re. #2822

"But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty..."

THE REUNION OF CHRISTENDOM

Encyclical Letter of Pope Leo XIII June 20, 1894

In this post I gave a direct quote from the Encyclical "THE REUNION OF CHRISTENDOM" by Pope Leo XIII. I also linked to the site.

I then received the following post #2825 by Petronski: "This the second time tonight I have plugged your quotes into google and been provided with a list of viciously anti-Catholic—and frankly darkly evil—websites."

Any person who had followed my link would have known without question it was honest and legitimate.

To Google the quote and use that as an excuse to attack me is scurrilous and a downright hateful action. Incidentally Google will provide 138,000 hits on that quote and hunting through that list would surely produce some garbage if that's what you are looking for. What would prompt one to do such a thing?

I invite fair minded Catholics to comment.

3,019 posted on 06/05/2008 9:37:11 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Petronski
This the second time tonight I have plugged your quotes into google and been provided with a list of viciously anti-Catholic—and frankly darkly evil—websites.

Follow the link and you will find the Encyclical. Look through Google for filth and you will find it. Apparently you found what you were looking for.

I want nothing to do with you. Don't ping me at all.

3,020 posted on 06/05/2008 9:41:36 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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