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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: wagglebee; Mad Dawg; Petronski
However, in the interest of time and expediency,
do you subscribe to the traditional Christian belief in the Trinity?
A simple yes or no will suffice?

Not quite.

Elohim YHvH has communicated with us through His Word.
He has communicated to us from outside our time-space continuum.
Whether it be three and a half dimensions or eleven dimensions.

He does not communicate to us through some man-made corporation.
He said he would send another like himself ( Ru'ach HaKodesh )
to assist us in understanding His Holy Word.

If you understand the language of Elohim, it is very clear that:
"Yah has become my salvation" is the Name that most refer to as Jesus.
The name Yah'shua means "Yah has become my salvation".

See:

Exodus 15:2; Psalm 18:2; Psalm 27:1; Psalm 62:1; Psalm 62:2; Psalm 62:6;
Psalm 62:7; Psalm 118:14; Psalm 119:174; Isaiah 12:2; Isaiah 46:13;
Isaiah 49:6; Isaiah 51:5; Isaiah 56:1; Isaiah 19:20; Isaiah 43:3;
Isaiah 43:11; Isaiah 45:21; Isaiah 49:26; Isaiah 60:16; Hosea 13:4

YHvH

Yod Hey (Yah) in Hebrew is the Name of Elohim.

vav represents man in Hebrew;

Vav is the number six in Hebrew.
Man was created on the sixth day.
Man works for six days
There are six millennia before the coming of the Messiah.
The beast is identified with the symbol of man "666"

Yah became man ( becoming the Pesach Lamb and shed His blood) for our salvation.

The letter "Hey" is the breath of Elohim. (Genesis 17:5)
When Elohim added a "Hey" to Abram and Sarai's names
making them known as Abraham and Sarah by breathing
the Ru'ach Elohim into them.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
1,701 posted on 06/03/2008 6:02:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Mad Dawg

I’m sorry they did that. I don’t know people who personally attack Catholics like that. We try to explain differences in dogma here on FR, but I doubt if any of us go in any attack mode when we see those ‘wicked’ Catholics, LOL.


1,702 posted on 06/03/2008 6:03:44 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: OLD REGGIE

>>You also have an opportunity to be as smarmy with her as you have been with me. Your choice.<<

Let me apologize if my comments came off as smarmy. They truly were not meant that way. I sincerly apologize for any offense I have given you. It was truly unintended.

Sorry.


1,703 posted on 06/03/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: mgist

What I’m saying is that it’s hard to ‘dig’ into what the scripture is saying by just hearing it in church. Yes, I’ve been to a Catholic mass. I was also brought up Episcopalian so I’m familiar with liturgical churches. We have communion and that, too, is very meaningful to us.


1,704 posted on 06/03/2008 6:05:42 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix
If ever an original argument came up against the Church, it would be nice.

How's this? "The typical Cathedral style of architecture favored by many Catholic Churches is not in keeping with the plain, white, steepled Congregational Church we are used to."

(Any number of small New England towns in the 1800's).

1,705 posted on 06/03/2008 6:06:24 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: papertyger

I apologize if I wrote any thing offensive to you.
I’m not really sure where it is, but let me apologize.


1,706 posted on 06/03/2008 6:06:27 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Petronski

Nah, don’t need one.


1,707 posted on 06/03/2008 6:06:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski

Peter had nothing to do with the Popery, Petronski. He was a pebble, remember? The ROCK was Jesus Christ.


1,708 posted on 06/03/2008 6:08:09 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski

Peter had nothing to do with the Popery, Petronski. He was a pebble, remember?


1,709 posted on 06/03/2008 6:08:30 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Mad Dawg

Collaboration? No, I doubt that. That’s not been my personal experience.


1,710 posted on 06/03/2008 6:10:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Your interpreation of it, perhaps.


1,711 posted on 06/03/2008 6:11:20 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: OLD REGGIE
If, and I say if, Mary had children by Joseph her children would be blood siblings of Jesus. Are you going to quibble whether they were 1/2 blood siblings?

Any "brothers" of Christ were, at best, sons of Joseph by an unnamed widow.

That is not a quibble.

1,712 posted on 06/03/2008 6:11:39 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: big'ol_freeper
You don't get it.

Catholics, with their sneaky use of such things as reason, present a serious danger to lurkers. Catholics are so dangerous that they cannot be engaged on the grounds of reason.

Instead there MUST be a kind of mock combat, a play, something fundamentally dishonest and unreal, in which Catholics and their arguments are not addressed but called names and mocked. If this were not done, the vicious, evil, repulsive, Catholics, with their notorious masochism and anxiety about sex might lure unsuspecting lurkers into their clutches.

Consequently, we don't even have to address the actual dogma of the Church. In general we should avoid any thoughtful engagement with them. Reason is not our strong suit after all, but we excel at abuse, mockery, and especially at the kind of endurance required to make the same baseless charges and mockeries over and over again.

But do not think for a minute that we do this with any cooperation among ourselves or with any malice in our hearts. We are only doing it for the poor lurkers, who without our constant vigilance might actually think about what the Catholics say.

Like Screwtape, we glorify noise, especially because it hinders thought. If the lurkers ever started thinking about what the Catholics say, if we ever let up in our efforts, why, well, who knows what might happen. They might get a clear view of the issues, and that could lead anywhere!

So we must keep up the mockery, the repetition, the same old charges and never give the lurkers a chance to think.

We're doing it for the children, I mean the lurkers.

1,713 posted on 06/03/2008 6:11:49 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Marysecretary

You said: Your [interpretation] of it, perhaps.

Nope. Catholics don’t need to resort to personal magiterical interpretations, we have almost 2,000 of history, Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradtion, and writings of the early fathers to verify it.


1,714 posted on 06/03/2008 6:15:05 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: Marysecretary
Peter had nothing to do with the Popery, Petronski.

That word is offensive: popery.

Peter was the first Pope.

1,715 posted on 06/03/2008 6:15:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Marysecretary

You are not the only Protestant on FR. Some of them collaborate. And by the standard set on a recent thread, it is up to them to prove their innocence.


1,716 posted on 06/03/2008 6:15:55 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Marysecretary
He was a pebble, remember?

I remember that anti-Catholic lie, yes.

1,717 posted on 06/03/2008 6:16:30 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Marysecretary
HOGWASH!

(Sound familiar?)

1,718 posted on 06/03/2008 6:17:43 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix
Well, if you don't care, why stick around?

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Earlier the Admin Moderator threatend a poster for a similar remark.

#1268 If you get a headache from discussing and defending what you believe, don't get on this site,

(Admin Moderator) "You have no right to lecture a poster like that. Your stay on Free Republic may be ended abruptly if you continue to post in that vein."

I understand your nasty reply was interrogatory. I guess you know how to play the "nasty" game.

1,719 posted on 06/03/2008 6:19:26 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix
Hmmm....could a protestant be pinging the mob mentality, here?

Let the catholic back-slapping begin.

1,720 posted on 06/03/2008 6:25:00 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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