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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: OLD REGGIE; netmilsmom
One of those "dozens" does know that you can attend Mass for 100 years and never hear the entire Bible.

Untrue. And since many Protestant churches have no set guidelines for Scripture readings, it is likely that you will mainly hear what the minister prefers.

What IS true is that you can read your Protestant Bible every day for the rest of your life and not hear the entire Bible because IT'S NOT ALL THERE.

1,081 posted on 06/02/2008 1:58:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OLD REGGIE

>>Can we agree that all who leave the Catholic Church and become Protestant are essentially phonies who leave for selfish reasons and all who leave a Protestant Church for the Catholic Church do so for pure and holy reasons? <<

I think that anyone who leaves any denomination either had a bad experience in a church or were not properly taught.

I think that people are searching for what seems best for them. I know people who have switched and as long as they have a good relationship with Christ, I can’t say a thing.


1,082 posted on 06/02/2008 1:58:29 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Quix

Personal against whom?

I did not refer to anyone in particular.


1,083 posted on 06/02/2008 1:58:47 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: papertyger; Mad Dawg

It appears that only in eternity will some folks realize what a horrible fit their tidy little boxes were for me.


1,084 posted on 06/02/2008 2:00:00 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
It appears that only in eternity will some folks realize what a horrible fit their tidy little boxes were for me.

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It won't be an eternity, it will only seem that way to those who continue to be subject to your repetitive posts.

1,085 posted on 06/02/2008 2:03:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Quix
Thank you for your encouragement, dear brother in Christ!
1,086 posted on 06/02/2008 2:06:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee

Depends on geographic area, historical religious context etc.

I’ve known of extended families doing such. But I was speaking of nuclear families.


1,087 posted on 06/02/2008 2:06:58 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: mgist; Dr. Eckleburg
Catholics also have a long history and a rich tradition. The Bible asks us to respect this. "Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours." 2 Thessalonians 2:15

Other references: John 21:25, 2 Pet: 3:15-16, 1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Thess. 3:6


You will note that the "traditions" referenced in Scripture are purely present and past tense. Nowhere will you find a provision for the acceptance for any "post Apostolic" tradition.

Are you prepared to prove that all your "rich" tradition came from Scripture and/or an Apostle?

1,088 posted on 06/02/2008 2:07:30 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Petronski

It would appear that my best communication efforts failed yet again.

Sorry. I have no solution.


1,089 posted on 06/02/2008 2:08:05 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: trisham

What a clever slick personal assault. Congrats.


1,090 posted on 06/02/2008 2:08:47 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Wellll given the rise in those convinced I’m besotted

I’m going off to be potted.

Thanks for your encouragements too, dear Sister in Christ.


1,091 posted on 06/02/2008 2:10:14 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

“In EVERY Biblical case and in EVERY Heavenly visitation case . . .

where folks have prostrated themselves before men, angels etc.

The stern rebuke is that ONLY GOD is worthy such.”

Um no:

Genesis 33:1-4

“Jacob looked up and saw Esau coming, accompanied by four hundred men. So he divided his children among Leah, Rachel and the two maidservants, putting the maids and their children first, Leah and her children next, and Rachel and Joseph last. He himself went on ahead of them, bowing to the ground seven times, until he reached his brother. Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, and flinging himself on his neck, kissed him as he wept.”

Genesis 37:5-11
“Once Joseph had a dream, which he told to his brothers: ‘Listen to this dream I had. There we were, binding sheaves in the field, when suddenly my sheaf rose to an upright position, and your sheaves formed a ring around my sheaf and bowed down to it.’ ‘Are you really going to make yourself king over us?’ his brothers asked him. ‘Or impose your rule on us?’ So they hated him all the more because of his talk about his dreams. Then he had another dream, and this one, too, he told to his brothers. ‘I had another dream,’ he said; ‘this time, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.’ When he also told it to his father, his father reproved him. ‘What is the meaning of this dream of yours?’ he asked. ‘Can it be that I and your mother and your brothers are to come and bow to the ground before you?’ So his brothers were wrought up against him but his father pondered the matter.”

Genesis 42:6-9
“It was Joseph, as governor of the country, who dispensed the rations to all the people. When Joseph’s brothers came and knelt down before him with their faces to the ground, he recognized them as soon as he saw them. But he concealed his own identity from them and spoke sternly to them. ‘Where do you come from?” he asked them. They answered, “From the land of Canaan, to procure food.’ When Joseph recognized his brothers, although they did not recognize him, he was reminded of the dreams he had about them. He said to them: ‘You are spies. You have come to see the nakedness of the land.’”

We could continue, but prostration is not divine worship, and not uniformly condemned throughout the Bible.


1,092 posted on 06/02/2008 2:12:59 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Quix
Be aware:

Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

1,093 posted on 06/02/2008 2:13:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Who is this "enemy" you speak of?

The devil tries to decieve us and he is "the enemy". For example, I love and respect Saint Teresa for her love of the poor, I love Mother Mary for helping me become closer to Jesus. The devil tricks people into thinking that this love that Catholics have for those who also loved Jesus, is contrary to God's commandment. It isn't. Therefore I feel that only "the enemy" could trick people into believing that Jesus could be jealous of his loving mother. I don't agree that Protestants are inherently Catholic haters.

It is the deciet of the enemy that creates this anymosity among fellow Christians. We are all vulnerable. My husband thinks that non-Catholic christians are "cultish" type believers where a priest can pitch a tent and start preaching whatever. He thinks other faiths and filled with Rev. Wright type individuals. That isn't true. My mother thinks that protestants just wanted to be able to divorce freely, therefore, they rebelled. We are all always being decieved by the enemy. It doesn't make us bad people. My husband and mother are wonderfull.

1,094 posted on 06/02/2008 2:14:39 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Quix

Just following in your large footsteps.


1,095 posted on 06/02/2008 2:16:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petronski

What a terminally odd response! LOL.

Fascinating.


1,096 posted on 06/02/2008 2:20:03 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: trisham

Yeah . . . I’m so terrible . . .

I use lots of

You’s, your’s,

about every other phrase in 90% of my sentences/posts.

/sar

But I doubt such issues are the most interesting available.


1,097 posted on 06/02/2008 2:21:43 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Philo-Junius

Guess I was making a distinction I wasn’t articulating.

Great catch.


1,098 posted on 06/02/2008 2:22:34 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

It’s your “I”s and “Me”s that are most uninteresting.


1,099 posted on 06/02/2008 2:22:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

This thread is not really about me.

I think I’ll bow out of enabling folks who wish to make it so.


1,100 posted on 06/02/2008 2:25:21 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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