The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[wagglebee]

On the other hand, seeing satan’s cohorts squabble has never been THAT entertaining, to me.

When they are fighting with each other, they are leaving His Children alone!

[Quix]

You are much more the scholar on such things than I.

The phrase COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOUR FEET . . .

Is it crystal clear that the worship focus is the men?

Or merely that the position of worship is prostrated before the men?

Is the meaning, emphasis on the focus of the worship

or is the core meaning and emphasis on the

prostration as punishment—in a posture, physical attitude demonstrative of worship of those the guilty would ever least like to be prostrated in front of???

[Mad Dawg]

I think an overarching point is that, at least from my pov I see a series of blanket statements concluded from statements in the Bible where "all" or "none" are used. In my opinion this is reading back into the Bible a kind of set-theory logical rigor which is not necessarily to be found there.

And, of course, arguments have to be built a step at a time. So we are told it is NEVER EVER right for one man to kneel to another creature, and yet we have an example where it SEEMS that God says it is his will that one set of men kneel to another.

So now, if that step is accomplished, then we revise the proposition to accommodate that resolution and take the next step. Patience is our friend.

And in a responsible conversation, the self-indulgence of the blanket proclamation about it's never ever being right would be abandoned.

It is fair to note that the NEVER EVER language was wrong. It is not fair to make too much of that. But SOMETHING can be made of it.

[Quix]

imho,

nothing is missed.

They have the technologies and the manpower.

They may choose to ignore a percentage or whatever.

But one can be certain that sufficent eyes and ears are everywhere that nothing of significance will be missed and particularly not missed for long.

But I chose . . . in fact . . . it was policy . . . to live our lives quite blazingly open and transparent in virtually all respects.

Trying to fool folks in culture that has practiced Olympic class skills of that sort for many millenia . . . is a bit foolish at the start.

[Petronski]

I've known literally dozens and dozens and dozens former protestants who finally broke down and opened their Bibles and read them for themselves and were converted to the truth found in the Gospel about the Church founded by Christ and the wonderful gifts of the Seven Blessed Sacraments He presents to us in the Catholic Church, including His Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

[mgist]

Does the RC edifice have a straw dog factory somewhere in Central America?

I have no idea what your question is, but I'm sure it is a message of brotherly love since you are a fellow Christian.

[Petronski]

Unlike the RC who simply takes the word of old men and some changeable, quixotic magisterium.

Paint with a broad brush much?

Did you know, by the way, that Magisterium is a proper noun and should be capitalized?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

“Men loved the darkness because their deeds were evil.”

[Quix]

Here’s the link to the JUNE QUAKE prediction for off the coast of China:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353645/pg1';

I found it some days ago on

THE MOST RECENT THREADS listing which is one of the buttons near the top of the screen.

There’s a lot of chaff and not a great deal more info on that thread unless it’s been added recently.

FWIW

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I do not bow to men or magisteriums.

[John Leland 1789]

“But I chose . . . in fact . . . it was policy . . . to live our lives quite blazingly open and transparent in virtually all respects.

“Trying to fool folks in culture that has practiced Olympic class skills of that sort for many millenia . . . is a bit foolish at the start.”
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Yes, we and most we work with over here are of the same mind as you. We’re not hiding. The ones that are hiding get almost nothing done. Our business is worth boxcar loads of risk.

[Petronski]

Mother Mary was an excellent example of love, obedience, and compassion.

I think some of the anti-Catholic bigots who disparage and deprecate Mary so obsessively are actually intimidated by her example and need to tear her down to avoid feeling so bad about themselves.

Others are mislead by anti-Scriptural lies like "sola scriptura," "sola fide" and "sola Machen."

[Quix]

Of course it is.

OF course, my loving kindnesses can come in all kinds of packages. LOL.

I just felt that your example/argument was a very false and flimsy straw dog without substance.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

AMEN! As you so correctly point out to all those with eyes to see, “to God belongs ALL the glory.”

[Petronski]

“Men loved the darkness because their deeds were evil.”

Step into the light.

[netmilsmom]

>>So, I’m just curious, have you really known “dozens and dozens” of Catholics who have left the Church or is it really just a couple and you are rounding up again?<<

I’d say that ANY of those “dozens and dozens” didn’t have a clue that the Bible is read in every Holy Mass.

Those that I have known that did leave the Church, did it because they didn’t like the rules (birth control, divorce, church every Sunday, etc.) and use the “I was enlightened when I openned the Bible” excuse. When you question them on it, you find that they know squat about what they left.

Most of them jump from church to church, looking for someplace that fits their inability to follow rules.

I’ve met tons of ex-Catholics in the homeschooling groups. And tons of converts to the RCC. You should hear the things said about Protestants by them! One man has told me never to go to a Protestant church for fear that they will pollute my children. Yikes!

[Quix]

Unmitigated hogwash all over again.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So, I'm just curious, have you really known "dozens and dozens" of Catholics who have left the Church or is it really just a couple and you are rounding up again?

Well, let's see. I married one of them. His family includes a dozen former Catholics who are now Protestant. My neighbor to the west and her family once were Catholic and are now all Protestant. My two neighbors across the street were once Catholic and now are Protestant. My neighbor to the east two doors down was once Catholic and is now Protestant.

And that includes all the spouses and children within those families.

Further, I know at least two dozen people at our church who were once Catholic and are now Protestant.

My best friend growing up came from an Irish Catholic family of six children. FIVE of the SIX CHILDREN and their entire families are now Protestant.

I could go on, but it's lunchtime. And I have a lunch appointment with a business associate who was born and raised Catholic who is now a Protestant married to a Protestant raising Protestant children.

As God wills, by His grace, for His glory.

[mgist]

I do not bow to men or magisteriums.

You probably grew up in a culture that lacked tradition. That is fine. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be considerate and respect other traditions. The Japanese bow to each other as a salutation of respect. That is their tradition and doesn't mean they are going to hell.

Catholics also have a long history and a rich tradition. The Bible asks us to respect this. "Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours." 2 Thessalonians 2:15

Other references: John 21:25, 2 Pet: 3:15-16, 1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Thess. 3:6

[Petronski]

Do you think capitalizing a word means bowing to the thing described by that word?

Do you capitalize Bill Clinton? Harry Reid? Satan? I bet you've capitalized the word Satan before.

I do not bow to men or magisteriums.

So you never capitalize men's names?

I find that very hard to believe.