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To: Grunthor
Is this what Jesus mean’t by “I am the way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through me”??

Yes, but also

18... thou art Peter; upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. (Mt 16)

if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. (Mt 18:17)

to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of the mystery which hath been hidden from eternity in God, who created all things: 10 That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church (Eph 3:10)

21 And you, whereas you were some time alienated and enemies in mind in evil works: 22 Yet now he hath reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unspotted, and blameless before him: 23 If so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister. 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfill the word of God: 26 The mystery which hath been hidden from ages and generations, but now is manifested to his saints, 27 To whom God would make known the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ, in you the hope of glory. 28 Whom we preach, admonishing every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. (Col 1)

supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men: 2 For kings, and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all (1 Tm 2)

The Church is the divine institution, supreme arbiter and sole instrument of salvation for all men.

25 posted on 05/16/2008 9:40:32 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

“18... thou art Peter; upon this rock I will build my church”

Yes but nowhere do I read that one must seek their salvation through the Catholic church, rather salvation can only be reached through the sacrifice of Jesus.

At least that’s how I understand it.


26 posted on 05/16/2008 10:40:40 PM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: annalex

“The Church is the divine institution, supreme arbiter and sole instrument of salvation for all men.”

And to the rest of us that read the Bible, Jesus Christ alone is all of those things. I feel like we are having two separate conversations here. Just answer me this and I’ll shut up, does one pray to Jesus for salvation or to “the church?”


27 posted on 05/16/2008 10:42:41 PM PDT by Grunthor (Juan agrees with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty, Gore on GW & says Hillary'd be a good POTUS)
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To: annalex; Grunthor
18... thou art Peter; upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I doubt Jesus was calling Peter a "this", "my church" or an "it".

Maybe the Catechism Of The Catholic Church can shed some light of the official teaching:

881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head." This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

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424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.

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552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone", thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.


43 posted on 05/17/2008 3:42:24 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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