I think I'd rather NOT try and wrap my very vivid visual imagery synapses around Petronski in that state...
Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer
. . . SOUNDS . . .
incredibly confident
about what Prottys don’t know!
LOL.
Si.
"Been there, done that" will do that for ya.
So will shucking one set of
constructs
for
a very different set . . . regardless of the reasons for doing so.
“What do you find dispositive of Peter’s founding of the Church at Antioch in Acts 11?”
He didn’t.
(Acts 11:19-21) “Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.”
In that passage only “men of Cyprus and Cyrene” and Barnabas and Saul are mentioned later in the passage, as founding he church.
Such as being correct?
The point of the sentence is that those men spoke to the greeks, not founded the church.
There is nothing positively asserting anything about the founding of the Church at Antioch in this passage.
If you can't recognize that fact, you are not qualified to render an opinion.
Actually, IIRC, the research is fairly clear . . .
that RELIGIOUS affinities, allegiances, choices
have . . . overtly . . . nothing to do
with any objective criteria over rightness or wrongness of a set of dogma . . .
instead, they virtually always have to do with relational/emotional/psychodynamic motivations for change.
I’m fairly confident that all the ‘changers’ both directions have a lot of confirmation of that
if and when
they are
able
and
willing
to face
such facts.
Maybe I AM that dumb, what do you think about THAT? ;D hehe Seriously, I don't know what else you want me to say. You asked "What does Pontifex Maximus MEAN", and I told you what it means, from the Latin.
If you also meant "Is it another title for the Pope?" then the answer is of course yes, but you already indicated you knew that so I saw no reason to say that. IMO, it's a perfectly acceptable title for our Holy Father, since he is also (at least supposed to be) a "bridge builder", a builder of bridges to the world, to bring them to the Good News of Christ.
To sum up, the title "Pontifex Maximus" is just a Latin phrase; it's adoption by a leader of Christianity, even if it was used by a pagan leader before that, is no more evil than the adoption of the celebration of Christmas, originally (the date, or a date close to it) a pagan holiday.
To see an example of its relative ambiguity, click here and read the paragraph that starts, "On this and related issues Stravinskas is a veritable pontifex maximus..." Now, I can assure you, Stravinskas is and never has been the Pope! The term is simply a Latin phrase; to read anything more into it is an attempt to justify an agenda.
So you've finally cracked the Pauline conversion!
Congratulations!
I understand many lesser scholars have actually been duped into accepting the validity of Christianity based on their inability to discern with your acumen!
I think I'd rather NOT try and wrap my very vivid visual imagery synapses around Petronski in that state...
“There is nothing positively asserting anything about the founding of the Church at Antioch in this passage.”
Well, that’s your opinion, but if Peter was soooo important to the church at Antioch, one would think Luke would have mentioned him, just once.
My statement was carefully worded . . . something the RCP2 problem may obscure.
I said nothing about God using such
in addition I said nothing about God using OTHER factors, means, supernatural whatevers
to effect conversion.
I merely commented on the objective research on such matters. Of course, we Prottys are well aware of the RC magicsterical’s denial of normal historical, Biblical and dictionary realities . . . denial of a lot of normal reality, actually.
Thankfully, God has used a number of miraculous etc. influences not that dissimilar to the Damascus Road experience of Paul . . . in moving quite a number of former RC’s into a dynamic, alive, Holy Spirit led Protty Christian walk.
PRAISE GOD FOR THAT!
It's not my opinion; it's textual fact. "Why" is irrelevant.
LOL.
Now, BD,
you know that
the RC magicsterical loves to
ARGUE FROM SILENCE.
They have little better to argue from!
Flame away and say what you will, but elevating Mary to equal or even superior status to Christ, elevating Mary to a full participant in the salvation of Man, and elevating Mary to the Queen of all things is utter blasphemy. To say that Catholics actively engage in goddess worship is an understatement. No wonder a reformation was needed!!!!!!!!!
= =
INDEED and well put.
Thx.
...is not "merely commenting" on "objective research." It is an evaluation.
Funny, I always find much more carefully worded comments in extrication than in proposition.
(Acts 11:19-21) “Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.”
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved
What do you figure??? A group of people carried Peter in on a throne??? Peter was decked out in a gold robe while people bowed and kissed his feet??? And then Peter built the 1st Cathedral in Antioch???
These Grecians were 'added to the church'...There was no building...They didn't need no stinkin' building...The 'church' is not a building...
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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