Protestants and Sola Scriptura

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[Petronski]

The mockery is your invention.

All we do is follow Christ’s commands.

[editor-surveyor]

"I cannot believe they used that terminology! Talk about a set-up!"

It's appropriate! - You need only talk to someone that has wandered in there out of curiousity, and gotten caught up in it themselves. The Holy Spirit is in charge there.

[conservativegramma]

Instead Christ gives us His new law: the Holy Scripture and Holy Traditions of His Church, the Roman Catholic Church, founded at Pentacost with Peter as its head.

No it doesn't. (Shaking my head here). There is absolutely nothing in Scripture that teaches anything about "Holy Traditions" or the "Roman Catholic Church". Scripture also says nothing about Peter being its head or popes or bishops or cardinals or any of other positions of ecclesiology within the Catholic Church. What it teaches is pastors, elders, and Deacons. (II Timothy Chapter 3) Where you find Catholic ecclesiology is outside of Scripture in the Roman political system of Government, INCLUDING the Title of Pontus Maximus or 'Pope'. Hence the title: "Roman" Catholic. You should take a Roman History course sometime.

[Petronski]

THE EUCHARIST CHRIST: IS CHRIST IN A PIECE OF BREAD?

The answer is no.

Next.

[Petronski]

There is absolutely nothing in Scripture about sola scriptura, so the rest of your post is moot.

[Theo]

It's not an easy question for Protestants, because, having jettisoned Tradition and the Church....

Protestants haven't "jettisoned" the Church. They've jettisoned heresy. They are indeed members of the true Church of Christ, whose home is heaven, not Rome.

[wagglebee]

Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it.

As a matter of simple grammer, the word "inseparable" refers to the word "role" NOT "union."

Perhaps you might answer some of these questions:

If the Church's teachings about the Blessed Virgin Mary are wrong, then why did Reformers such as Luther, Calvin, Zwengli and Wesley not disavow them? Better yet, why did these same Reformers CONTINUE to teach them?

Does the phrase, "blessed art thou among women" leave open the possibility that ANY woman was more blessed? And if so whom?

Why is the instruction in Luke 1:48 EXCLUDED by you and others?

How does your concept of sola scriptura reconcile with 2 Peter 3:16

[Petronski]

They are indeed members of the true Church of Christ, whose home is heaven...

I thought it was Geneva, or Princeton.

[Petronski]

...or a cargo terminal at Toronto Pearson International.

[conservativegramma]

Christ instituted the Holy Sacraments as gifts to us.

Yep, and adding anything to that as a 'requirement for salvation' tells Him his sacrifice wasn't good enough, sorry. Question. If salvation is based on you keeping the sacraments, or your good deeds, or your observances of anything, why did Christ need to die to begin with???? Why couldn't you have just done it yourself with all of these observances?

Paul asked this same question btw and here is his answer:

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" Galatians 2:21

[Petronski]

Why is the instruction in Luke 1:48 EXCLUDED by you and others?

It can't be a verse of straw, since Luther didn't jettison it.

So when was it jettisoned . . . obliterated . . . nuked . . . whited-out . . .

[Petronski]

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Therefore we set aside the requirements of Mosaic law, and it is good that we did.

[wagglebee]

I suppose I should have used the term IGNORED rather than excluded. The verse is in their incomplete Bibles, they just choose to ignore it.

[Petronski]

Metaphorically, to ignore it or delete it is indistinguishable.

[wagglebee]

Question. If salvation is based on you keeping the sacraments, or your good deeds, or your observances of anything, why did Christ need to die to begin with???? Why couldn't you have just done it yourself with all of these observances?

You are expressing a common fallacy in that you fail to recognize that the intellectual exercise of accepting Christ as your Savior is still a deed.

[wagglebee]

Oftentimes it is not just ignored, it is openly mocked.

[SoothingDave]

Yep, and adding anything to that as a 'requirement for salvation' tells Him his sacrifice wasn't good enough, sorry. Question. If salvation is based on you keeping the sacraments, or your good deeds, or your observances of anything, why did Christ need to die to begin with???? Why couldn't you have just done it yourself with all of these observances?

You confuse the "how" with the "what." Sacraments are how we are saved by Jesus. They would not exist and would have no salvific power were it not for Jesus' Sacifice.

Can you understand that?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

See, that wasn’t so difficult for you to post your opinion, and that’s why the thread shouldn’t have been pulled.

[Petronski]

Perhaps there’s a giant wheel somewhere that is spun each day to choose which manner of deprecation they will deal to Luke 1:28.

[SoothingDave]

I desire to be sanctified and someday completely rid of my sin. To say that I desire to be united with God is akin to a Mormon's view of exaltation into godhood. That's blasphemy. I will never be 'a god' nor would I want to be. Nor will I ever be equal to Christ. He is my LORD, I am the servant. Quite a difference.

He also taught us to call God Our Father. How sad it is that you will not contemplate the Incarnation, nor accept that God reached out to our humanity precisely to draw us into His Embrace.