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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: griffin
OMG! Bwahahahahahahaha! I haven't heard such doctrinaire superciliousness since being treated to an oral dissertation on the virtues of the King James Bible by a drunken, toothless, redneck.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

1,061 posted on 05/06/2008 1:46:00 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Fichori; SoothingDave
Something slightly relevant to consider are the words King David found in 2nd Samuel 12:23.

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
(e-Sword: KJV)

I don't get it. Please elaborate.

1,062 posted on 05/06/2008 1:52:58 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

My mistake. The winky-face was on the first paragraph. You certainly know that an infant cannot form intent.


1,063 posted on 05/06/2008 1:53:48 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: blue-duncan
Collectively, Jews and Grecians

That's your problem, your trying to "read into" it when there isn't anything in the verse that demands the Jews and Grecians be treated "collectively." The first sentence speaks of preaching to Jews only, and the second sentence speaks of preaching to Greeks. Period.

The tradition may be wrong, but that's not the point. The point is you can't prove it from the Bible.

1,064 posted on 05/06/2008 1:55:23 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: roamer_1

I HAVE A NEW TAGLINE!


1,065 posted on 05/06/2008 1:59:15 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: Fichori

The difference is what we call the “Beatific Vision.” King David didn’t get it until after Jesus “set the captives free.”


1,066 posted on 05/06/2008 2:03:22 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: roamer_1; SoothingDave
Something slightly relevant to consider are the words King David found in 2nd Samuel 12:23.

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
(e-Sword: KJV)

I don't get it. Please elaborate.


My understanding is that it implies he(the son who died) had gone to heaven.

But I am just recalling from memory one of Chuck Swindoll's messages.

It is my personal belief that those who die at a young age and have not had the opportunity to, or understanding of, accepting Christ, do indeed go to Heaven.

But like I said, tricky subject.

1,067 posted on 05/06/2008 2:05:59 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Petronski
You certainly know that an infant cannot form intent.

I would accept that in the legal sense, but not in general. I cannot gauge that capacity.

I know that my eldest son played a game with me while he was still within the womb- He would stick his foot against his mother's belly, and I would grab the foot, whereupon he would retract, all excited, according to my wife. But soon thereafter comes the foot once again, and in the very same place... over, and over again. He thought it was fun.

Now, does that exhibit an intent or not? Who can say?

1,068 posted on 05/06/2008 2:06:42 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: papertyger

I am unfamiliar with such terms as “Beatific Vision”.


1,069 posted on 05/06/2008 2:09:44 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: roamer_1
Now, does that exhibit an intent or not? Who can say?

Scientists.

1,070 posted on 05/06/2008 2:11:21 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: roamer_1
I know that my eldest son played a game with me while he was still within the womb- He would stick his foot against his mother's belly, and I would grab the foot, whereupon he would retract, all excited, according to my wife. But soon thereafter comes the foot once again, and in the very same place... over, and over again. He thought it was fun.

OMG! I just got this vision of you wearing a headset with the wire plugged into your wife's navel!

1,071 posted on 05/06/2008 2:12:33 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: papertyger
LOL!
1,072 posted on 05/06/2008 2:12:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Petronski

truth hurts sometimes, no? You deny this was/is a position of the rcc?


1,073 posted on 05/06/2008 2:15:58 PM PDT by griffin
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To: Fichori
I am unfamiliar with such terms as “Beatific Vision”.

In layman's terms, it's seeing God, face to face. It carries all manner of second and third order implications.

I have to admit though, I mistook the intent of your post. I don't think the verse quoted necessarily implies anything beyond David joining the child in death.

1,074 posted on 05/06/2008 2:17:40 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: griffin
You deny this was/is a position of the rcc?

Yes.

Your turn.

1,075 posted on 05/06/2008 2:19:16 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: papertyger

OM.....Goodness?....do we always use the Lord’s name in vain? Point validated. Now, go to confession.


1,076 posted on 05/06/2008 2:19:33 PM PDT by griffin
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To: roamer_1

I asked to EXPLAIN the verse, not cut and paste it.


1,077 posted on 05/06/2008 2:21:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: griffin
OM.....Goodness?....do we always use the Lord’s name in vain? Point validated. Now, go to confession.

Hardly...I left the theology of sitting on clouds plucking harps back in childhood.

1,078 posted on 05/06/2008 2:21:57 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: SoothingDave

I challenge your definition of bigotry. Not bigotry, meer observation. I’ve lived through 3 separate rcc periods in my life before I was rescued.


1,079 posted on 05/06/2008 2:22:00 PM PDT by griffin
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To: Petronski

Bigotry!? You know what that means? My comments, as I said before, are personal observations. If the truth hurts, I’m sorry.

Do you bring your Bible to church?


1,080 posted on 05/06/2008 2:23:16 PM PDT by griffin
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