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To: markomalley
St. Thomas said the Eucharist is the one instance of change we encounter in this world that is exactly the opposite. The appearances of bread and wine stay the same, but the very essence or substance of these realities, which can't be viewed by a microscope, is totally transformed.

If by St. Thomas you mean Aquinas, then you should remove any reference to "microscopes" from your quote. he died long before they were invented. This is the crux of the disbelief in the literal transformation of the bread and wine into body and blood. Most people can accept it as a metaphore, but it does not look or taste like anything but bread and wine. Modern men and women rely on (scientific) evidence, consciously or unconsciously. Faith is required to accept the Eucharist as real. Pure faith is rare.

4 posted on 04/27/2008 4:08:28 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton
If by St. Thomas you mean Aquinas, then you should remove any reference to "microscopes" from your quote.

I believe that he meant something like "St. Thomas said this, and now with microscopes we observe that; without implying that a microscope was available to him.

Faith is required to accept the Eucharist as real.

Most certainly.

20 posted on 04/27/2008 5:53:36 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Soliton
"Most people can accept it as a metaphore, but it does not look or taste like anything but bread and wine. Modern men and women rely on (scientific) evidence, consciously or unconsciously. Faith is required to accept the Eucharist as real."

One point. The Real Presence is NOT antithetical to science. Quit the contrary--unlike past generations, we know that there is a deeper level of reality than appears on the surface. We know, for example, that bread, blood, and our bodies are comprised of atoms (mostly C, H, O, and N, with a bit of Ca, Mg, and some trace elements). These atoms are linked together in different arrangements to form the different substances. It is certainly possible that the process of transubstantiation results in a change at the deeper (non-chemical) level, with the atoms of the bread and wine being "swapped" for the glorified atoms that comprise the risen body of Christ.

This is not to say that the above "is" what happens in transubstantiation, but simply point out that a Real Presence is NOT wholly impossible of today's knowledge of science.

22 posted on 04/27/2008 6:52:26 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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