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Mormon ousted as an apostate
East Valley Tribune—Phoenix, AZ, MSNBC ^ | Sept 23, 2007 | Lawn Griffiths

Posted on 09/24/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by colorcountry

Being excommunicated for apostasy by the Mormon church is one thing, but Lyndon Lamborn is livid that his stake president has ordered bishops in eight Mesa wards to take the rare step of announcing disciplinary action against him to church members today. "I thought if he could go public, so can I," said Lamborn, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who said his research into church history gave him "thousands of reasons the church can't be what it claims to be."

Stake President R. James Molina acknowledged Friday he intends to have Lamborn's excommunication announced to the wards at men's priesthood meetings and womens Relief Society gatherings, even with Lamborn now taking his case public. Molina, as well as officials at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, call such a public warning about an ousted member extremely rare. They say, however, church members must be protected from what discordant ex-followers may say to damage the church...................

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Knock it off now. You’re all very close to a suspension.


One last time - ALL the conversation about CREED to OMM.

 
I realize that in an extended conversation with many folks joining in, it may be a bit hard to remember just WHO was speaking of about what thing, so here is what I found...
 

 
 
To: DelphiUser
 
I keep asking people to pray, here is a good one, how many of the orthodox Christians out there have actually prayed about the Nicene Creed?

GBood Question!!

I keep asking people to pray, here is a good one, how many of the LDS organization members out there have actually prayed about the Nicene Creed? 

745 posted on 10/17/2007 3:46:48 PM CDT by Elsie 
To: Elsie

Actually, I have. That is one of the reasons I am still happily in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

754 posted on 10/17/2007 5:05:48 PM CDT by Old Mountain man 

To: Old Mountain man
 
Actually, I have. That is one of the reasons I am still happily in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Good; for perhaps you can show me just what is so ABOMINABLE about that creed:


The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.


761 posted on 10/18/2007 3:13:21 AM CDT by Elsie
To: Elsie

It appears to be some sort of document defining the nature of God in language that is not clear nor is it intended to be clear.

766 posted on 10/18/2007 10:21:51 AM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man
 
It appears to be some sort of document defining the nature of God in language that is not clear nor is it intended to be clear.

...perhaps you can show me just what is so ABOMINABLE about that creed:

772 posted on 10/18/2007 11:52:41 AM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

Why don’t you read it yourself, as well as its associated creeds, and pray about them. They are NOT scripture, under your definition.

784 posted on 10/18/2007 8:02:23 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man

Your founder stated publically that the creeds were an ABOMINATION.

I merely want YOU to tell us, publically, just what is so ABOMINABLE about them.

805 posted on 10/19/2007 1:51:40 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Old Mountain man
 
That may be your problem, passing judgement on my faith for no reason.

He did NOT 'pass judgement' on YOUR faith, for NO reason.

He did have quite valid points about the FOUNDING of the organization; whose writings you believe.

806 posted on 10/19/2007 1:54:51 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Old Mountain man

Ya still working up an answer for us about that ABOMINATION thing?

815 posted on 10/19/2007 2:10:22 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

You are so knowledgeable, go ahead and cite it.

819 posted on 10/19/2007 2:13:02 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man
 
You are so knowledgeable, go ahead and cite it.

It is obvious, from your non-response, that you don't want to tackle this theological question.

That's ok; I'll not press you any farther, but know this: if you are going to challenge others on THEIR posting of Scripture - you've now left a trail showing your ignorance of it.

822 posted on 10/19/2007 2:17:08 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

YOU were citing a creed to which I do not subscribe, and then berating both me and the founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. You never cited any scripture in support of this “creed”. It is your “creed”, not mine. Defend it if you can!

826 posted on 10/19/2007 10:05:39 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man
 
YOU were citing a creed to which I do not subscribe, and then berating both me and the founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Sorry, OMM; that's not how it works.

You see, you are defending Mormonism.

I am showing the FOUNDATION of it all: that Joseph Smith claims that God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him and said, "Their creeds are an ABOMINATION to me!"

That statement is what the entire LDS organization is built upon.

ANYONE who tries to support and defend that organization should know, at the very least, WHY it came into existance.

Therefore, I ask you one more time...

What is so ABOMINABLE in that creed??

829 posted on 10/20/2007 8:44:06 AM CDT by Elsie

 To: Elsie

For me, it is the attitude of those that wave around a false creed and demand that I subscribe to it to be a Christian. Thou hypocrite!

838 posted on 10/21/2007 8:34:25 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man
 
For me, it is the attitude of those that wave around a false creed and demand that I subscribe to it to be a Christian. Thou hypocrite!

One: No one 'demanded' ANYTHING from you; especially me!

Two: Just WHERE is the hypocracy?


I merely asked you to state what you think is wrong with the creed, and you are acting like I've pissed in your Wheaties®!

843 posted on 10/22/2007 8:09:12 AM CDT by Elsie

To: Old Mountain man
 
being of one substance with the Father;
Where does it say that in the scriptures?

Will THIS suffice?

John 10:31-33

31. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,

32. but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

33. "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

846 posted on 10/22/2007 1:23:05 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

So your creed is based upon Jesus’ enemies claims? Where did JESUS ever claim to be GOD?

850 posted on 10/22/2007 3:20:01 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man

What’s so bad in that creed; IN YOUR HUMBLE OPINION?

853 posted on 10/22/2007 4:25:39 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

I doubt very much that he would lie about that. I do not doubt that you cannot find sufficient scriptural backup for your creed so that you must resort to childish name calling. Go and consult with your preacher, he may give you some better names to call us. Go attack islam or something else you don’t know about.

856 posted on 10/22/2007 4:33:14 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

To: Old Mountain man
 
I do not doubt that you cannot find sufficient scriptural backup for your creed....

You're the one that cannot do that.

WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT THE CREED?

858 posted on 10/22/2007 4:39:02 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Old Mountain man
I do not doubt that you cannot find sufficient scriptural backup for your creed ...

I gave you Scripture; just like you asked.

You dismissed them as irrelevant.

Jewish religious scholars; whose life was possible becaused they knew the law inside and out, knew EXACTLY what Jesus was claiming.

In your superior knowledge, you claim they didn't know what they were talking about.

860 posted on 10/22/2007 4:43:51 PM CDT by Elsie

To: Elsie

They lied.

863 posted on 10/22/2007 4:48:26 PM CDT by Old Mountain man
To: Elsie

How many times do you have to be told? Are you having as much trouble reading my posts as you do the scriptures?

864 posted on 10/22/2007 4:50:10 PM CDT by Old Mountain man

 
To: Old Mountain man
How many times do you have to be told?

About as many times as you're asked: what is wrong with the creed?

880 posted on 10/23/2007 6:27:04 AM CDT by Elsie
 
 
 
About as many times as you're asked: what is wrong with the creed?

Should I ask instead: "What is so ABOMINABLE with being of one substance with the Father?"


881 posted on 10/23/2007 5:29:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Because it is not true.


882 posted on 10/23/2007 8:29:05 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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