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To: jo kus; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights; MarkBsnr
No, this "god" delights in making humans to condemn them to eternal torture. He "ordained" them to sin, judging them as condemned, despite being made that way.

I'm sorry that the Christian God doesn't operate to your standards of fairness.

Read the Old Testament through the lenses of Jesus Christ, since Tradition points out that it was written with Him in mind. Oh, and Jesus says that in the Gospels, as well.

Jesus showed respect and reverence for the OT, so I'm not sure the result would be what you expect. Plus, I doubt you can show me where the Bible says to read the OT through the lens of the current Apostolic Church. That would leave the OT in ruins, at least according to some posters here. Rather than discard one in favor of the other, our approach is to reconcile them so that both can be true.

[FK to Kosta:] "I've seen other posters give you several examples of where Jesus directs His ministry to the Gentiles, not the least of which is the Great Commission."

That is after the Resurrection, when He directs the Catholic Church to spread the Gospel.

What difference does that make? Kosta has maintained that Jesus NEVER directed His ministry to the Gentiles. The Great Commission clearly belies that.

9,160 posted on 10/15/2007 10:11:12 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
I'm sorry that the Christian God doesn't operate to your standards of fairness.

That's beyond the point. God doesn't create people TO eternally torture them. God does not take pleasure in killing or in death. That is what the "reformers" claim. God PURPOSELY creates vessels to condemn them and men could do nothing about it. Sorry, that is called "fate", a pagan concept, not Christian.

Jesus showed respect and reverence for the OT, so I'm not sure the result would be what you expect. Plus, I doubt you can show me where the Bible says to read the OT through the lens of the current Apostolic Church. That would leave the OT in ruins, at least according to some posters here. Rather than discard one in favor of the other, our approach is to reconcile them so that both can be true.

Of course we are to reconcile the two - with Christ as the unifying factor. As to "reading the OT through the lens of the current Apostolic Church", clearly, you are not familiar with Paul's useage of the OT. Nor are you familiar with the Gospel's many verses that claim to point to the Messiah in the OT, esp. in Matthew.

What difference does that make? Kosta has maintained that Jesus NEVER directed His ministry to the Gentiles. The Great Commission clearly belies that.

I cannot claim to know what Kosta meant by "never" and whether he was refering to His earthly life or the entire Mission of the Messiah. However, when I brought it up, he agreed readily, so I am thinking that he meant BEFORE the crucifixion.

Regards

9,168 posted on 10/16/2007 5:24:40 AM PDT by jo kus
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