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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights; jo kus
FK: "Who said anything about God taking delight in any of this?" [the suffering of people]

So, God is doing things that displease Him?

Come on, Kosta. :) Why else would you be using the word "delight" (in your original comment) but to make the Reformed view appear to support a blood-thirsty God who enjoys the suffering of others? No sale to me, and no sale to lurkers. :) God's justice simply is what it is. If God's justice had mirrored man's justice exactly, then we'd all be dead. Praise God that it doesn't.

FK: "But if no one ever died from God, then as I just posted to you, we have to scrap the entire OT."

Unless someone can reconcile those verses with God and His message of the Gospels. And I think the Church did that just fine.

Well, that's what I've been waiting for. How does the Church reconcile the weight of evidence that I gave recently in that (non-exhaustive) list?

The Gospels in fact hardly even mention these events. [God killing in the OT]

When the Gospels don't mention tons of times the events that support the Reformed position, it means that those events were misinterpreted or never happened. When the Gospels don't mention AT ALL events that support the Apostolic position (such as Mary's sinlessness) it means that it was so well accepted that it wasn't worth mentioning in the Gospels. That's a pretty sweet system. :)

9,059 posted on 10/14/2007 10:49:46 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights; jo kus
Why else would you be using the word "delight" (in your original comment) but to make the Reformed view appear to support a blood-thirsty God who enjoys the suffering of others?

Because the Bible says God does not delight in suffering...you ought to know that.

God's justice simply is what it is

First none of us knows what God's Justice is. Second, I will let you in on a little secret: life is the way it is even if you don't understand it.

Kosta to FK: Unless someone can reconcile those verses with God and His message of the Gospels. And I think the Church did that just fine.

FK: Well, that's what I've been waiting for. How does the Church reconcile the weight of evidence that I gave recently in that (non-exhaustive) list?

I don't know. I do know that the Church kept both Testaments, yet always taught through the prism of the Gospels (the ONLY scripture that sits on the church altar).

I do know that we read from the OT throughout the entire Great Lent (40 day strict fast), and at Vespers. The Catholics read from the Old Testament during Mass.

YET, I have never seen a comprehensive, vere-by-verse reconciliation between the two Testaments from ANY Church author. Probably because there ISN'T one comprehensive reconciliation POSSINBLE other than the realization that the OT was "seen dimly" at first and is not the full revelation. So, the right approach to the OT is with a grain of salt rather than in the literal sense.

When the Gospels don't mention tons of times the events that support the Reformed position, it means that those events were misinterpreted or never happened

Show me where Jesus directs His ministry to the Gentiles and I will show you where He doesn't. By your logic, the Reformed ought to be Jewish.

9,070 posted on 10/15/2007 5:58:36 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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