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To: Forest Keeper; D-fendr; HarleyD; MarkBsnr; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
My understanding is that an Apostolic tenet is that God's will is for all men to be saved

Mankind can be saved only through love for God, not by some hocu pocus magic. Those who have no love for God will not come to Him. Love cannot be forced.

It is God's desire (becase He so loveth the world) that all men be saved. It is not His will; it is His desire. I think there is a world of difference there. He offerend salvation to all. His saving grace is for anyone who is willing to follow Him. It is not pre-prgammed "love" or some brain-washing tractor beam attached to the foreheads of the "elect."

He calls us and we have to come to Him on our own. His sacrifice made that choice possible.

8,952 posted on 10/13/2007 5:50:54 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights
He calls us and we have to come to Him on our own. His sacrifice made that choice possible.

A more correct sentence would be accomplished by removing four words which obscure the truth...

He calls us and we have to come to Him on our own. His sacrifice made that choice. possible.

8,968 posted on 10/13/2007 11:06:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50; D-fendr; HarleyD; MarkBsnr; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
It is God's desire (because He so loveth the world) that all men be saved. It is not His will; it is His desire. I think there is a world of difference there.

Wow! I'll take it and I couldn't agree more. :) We call this God's outward call, as opposed to His inward call, which is always efficacious. God did not decree that all men be saved, but we should always treat everyone as if He had (i.e. work in concert with God making disciples of all men).

His saving grace is for anyone who is willing to follow Him. It is not pre-programmed "love" or some brain-washing tractor beam attached to the foreheads of the "elect."

His saving grace is what causes people to follow Him. No brain-washing is necessary. The new heart follows God willingly.

8,973 posted on 10/13/2007 12:50:33 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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