Patriarch Alexy and Metropolitan Herman.
Patriarch Alexy with First Heriarch Laurus
One Church.
Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Well, let’s see. If Adam was made in God’s image, then if Seth was made in Adam’s image, isn’t an image of an image an image?
Gen 1:
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Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.”
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God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
1 James 4:
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With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the likeness of God.
So, we have Genesis as well as James saying that humans are a likeness of God. You have not yet posted Scripture that refutes this claim.
We see in the mirror a two dimensional image. I would use the analogy that we are the three dimenensional image of a multi dimensional God. Sins would form flaws in the glass.
Just my opinion.
“The Church and politics at the time were intertwine. Luther’s rebellion against the Church cast him into the world of politics. The Church, otoh, was cast into the world of religion.”
Nice sound byte. :)
The Church is to be in the world, but not of it. Sounds quite clear, especially leading the fight against homosexual marriage, abortion and many of the fun things that are now being championed by many of the mainline and most of the non denominational Protetant churches.
“All under the Atuhority of Patriarch Alexy of Moscow.”
That’s actually not so. The news about the rapprochement in May, 2007 says they are in “communion” with, not under the authority of the Patriarch. If they were, why are there three denominations? Why not just one?
“Calvin states that man in Adam had been given the ability of clear and consistent thought, reason, righteousness, etc. All was lost with the fall. Adam’s heirs lost these abilities and became slaves to sin.”
If Adam had had such clear and consistent thought, reason, righteousness, etc, then why did he sin? What makes the Reformed Adam different than Adam’s Reformed heirs? Non sequitur.
“With Christ these abilities are, in a limited sense, restored.”
So Christ wasn’t good enough to restore these abilities? Calvin gets more and more fascinating as time goes on.
One Church.
MB: The Bible alone dogma appears to be practiced more like - some passages of the Bible alone.
GL: We try to not confuse form & function.
Are you then of the well-populated school of thought here that thinks that some Bible passages are expendable?
Not at all. You?
Act of Canonical Communion
We, the humble Alexy II, by God's mercy Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, jointly with the Eminent Members of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, having gathered at a meeting of the Holy Synod (date) in the God-preserved city of Moscow; and the humble Laurus, Metropolitan of Eastern America and New York, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, jointly with the Eminent Bishops, members of the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, having gathered (time, place);
Being guided by the effort towards reestablishing blessed peace, Divinely-decreed love, and brotherly unity in the common work in the harvest-fields of God within the Fullness of the Russian Orthodox Church and her faithful in the Fatherland and abroad, taking into consideration the ecclesiastical life of the Russian diaspora outside the canonical borders of the Moscow Patriarchate, as dictated by history;
Taking into account that the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia performs its service on the territories of many nations;
By this Act declare:
1. That the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, conducting its salvific service in the dioceses, parishes, monasteries, brotherhoods, and other ecclesiastical bodies that were formed through history, remains an indissoluble, self-governing part of the Local Russian Orthodox Church.
2. That the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia is independent in pastoral, educational, administrative, management, property, and civil matters, existing at the same time in canonical unity with the Fullness of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3. The supreme ecclesiastical, legislative, administrative, judicial and controlling authority in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia is her Council of Bishops, convened by her Primate (First Hierarch), in accordance with the Regulations [ Polozheniye ] of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.
4. The First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia is elected by her Council of Bishops. This election is confirmed, in accordance with the norms of Canon Law, by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
5. The name of the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church and the name of the First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are commemorated during divine services in all churches of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia before the name of the ruling bishop in the prescribed order.
6. Decisions on the establishment or liquidation of dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are made by her Council of Bishops in agreement with the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
7. The bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are elected by her Council of Bishops or, in cases foreseen by the Regulations of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, by the Synod of Bishops. Such elections are confirmed in accordance with canonical norms by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
8. The bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are members of the Local Council [ Pomestny Sobor ] and Council of Bishops [ Arkhiereiskij Sobor ] of the Russian Orthodox Church and also participate in the meetings of the Holy Synod in the prescribed order. Representatives of the clergy and laity of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia participate in the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in the established manner.
9. The supreme instances of ecclesiastical authority for the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are the Local Council and the Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church.
10. Decisions of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church extend to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia with consideration of the particularities described by the present Act, by the Regulations of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia and by the legislation of the nations in which she performs her ministry.
11. Appeals on decisions of the supreme ecclesiastical court of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are directed to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia.
12. Amendments to the Regulations of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia by her supreme legislative authority are subject to the confirmation of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church in such case as these changes bear a canonical character.
13. The Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia receives her holy myrrh from the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia.
By this Act, canonical communion within the Local Russian Orthodox Church is hereby restored.
Acts issued previously which preclude the fullness of canonical communion are hereby deemed invalid or obsolete.
The reestablishment of canonical communion will serve, God willing, towards the strengthening of the unity of the Church of Christ, of her witness in the contemporary world, promoting the fulfillment of the will of the Lord to ?gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad? (John 11:52).
Let us bring thanks to All-Merciful God, Who through His omnipotent hand directed us to the path of healing the wounds of division and led us to the desired unity of the Russian Church in the homeland and abroad, to the glory of His Holy Name and to the good of His Holy Church and Her faithful flock. Through the prayers of the Holy New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia, may the Lord grant His blessing to the One Russian Church and Her flock both in the fatherland and in the diaspora.
San Francisco Archbishop Responds After Caught on Video Giving Communion to Gay Men Dressed as Nuns
Leading the fight???
So you beleive in women covering their head in prayer remaining silent in church and refraining from leadership roles in the church?
So much for your pot calling the kettle black comments.
I explained that in one of my early post, although I must confess I don't read all these post. Adam lacked the one thing that both he and our Lord Jesus needed, wisdom. I used as my text:
Wisdom, knowledge and understanding are all different things. Wisdom must be given to us by God the Father. Adam obviously lacked wisdom from above. Consequently, he sinned.
The name of the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church and the name of the First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia are commemorated during divine services in all churches of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia before the name of the ruling bishop in the prescribed order.”
It looks like they are equals.
IF they were equals from separate jurisdictions btw only ONE would be commemorated not both.
You & I have covered this territory already.
You've claimed the EOC isn't in any way legalistic like the Western churches, but when talking about women physically putting something to cover their heads, looks awfully legalistic to me. If you don't think it is, I'd sure like you to explain it to me. If any women's headcovering is something she prides herself in, she picks one kind over another because she thinks it's prettier, anyone say anything to her about it?
I think it quite proper for women to be silent in church and also, to refrain from leadership.
How are bishops made in the EOC?
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