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To: DungeonMaster
The Bereans had only OT scripture, they were looking for anything related to the messianic prophecies. Paul himself instructed us to stand fast the the traditions he passed on by letter and word of mouth, not just by letter. John in his gospel also tells us that not all of what Christ did was recorded in the book.

True devotion to Our Lady is commanded by Christ Him self. What is the 4th commandment and what did He tell John and us at the Cross? "Mother behold your son, son behold your mother" has far more meaning than a simple recording of a sentimental adoption. How many words in Scripture are wasted or pointless? Would God wast time with idle chatter as He hung on the cross? Doubt it.

575 posted on 07/16/2007 1:45:47 PM PDT by conservonator (quest)
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To: conservonator
The Bereans had only OT scripture, they were looking for anything related to the messianic prophecies. Paul himself instructed us to stand fast the the traditions he passed on by letter and word of mouth, not just by letter. John in his gospel also tells us that not all of what Christ did was recorded in the book.

Uh, so you're thinking that Paul gave them a bunch of info about Mary but the Holy Spirit completely forgot to tell us in the bible? So what the verse should say is that the bereans searched out the messianic prophecies to see if they were true and accepted all the other things which you will hear from the pope later. That's basically what you are saying happened. Regarding other things that Jesus did, you are saying that it should say that there are a lot of other really important things needed for correction, instruction, reproof and doctrine that Jesus did but you can only get them from the pope.

True devotion to Our Lady is commanded by Christ Him self. What is the 4th commandment and what did He tell John and us at the Cross? "Mother behold your son, son behold your mother" has far more meaning than a simple recording of a sentimental adoption. How many words in Scripture are wasted or pointless? Would God wast time with idle chatter as He hung on the cross? Doubt it.

When Jesus says that any Christian woman is His Mother, he pretty much puts to rest any notion that she is to be elevated to some special position.

576 posted on 07/16/2007 1:58:12 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: conservonator

Careful; this whole passage is a sacred cow to the sola crowd. If they admit that the entire New Testament wasn’t available at the time of this passage, then they’ve got to admit that the teachings of the Church were entirely oral for centuries, and therefore their argument against the Magisterium dissolves into a puddle of goo.

Whereas I see that the whole Matiolatry thing is a red herring, designed to highlight a difference between the Proddies and the Church and not really based on very much other than that.


577 posted on 07/16/2007 2:18:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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