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To: Logophile

A Christian accepts that the god of the Jews is God, that he had a son named Jesus Christ, who was crucified, that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned. Those are the basic beliefs.


19 posted on 07/05/2007 6:41:42 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AzaleaCity5691
No, not quite. The Marian statements are not essential Christian beliefs.
Those would be Roman Catholic beliefs.
Unless, of course your point is that only Roman Catholics are Christians
21 posted on 07/05/2007 7:02:32 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: AzaleaCity5691

If I believe that Mary was a sinner, it does not change the teaching that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth.

The Virgin Birth was due to God’s power, it is independent of Mary’s sinful nature, exhibited where she said “I rejoice in God my Savior.”


22 posted on 07/05/2007 7:19:40 AM PDT by fishtank ("Amnesty" and "amnesia" are from the same root word !!!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691; Gamecock
A Christian accepts that the god of the Jews is God, that he had a son named Jesus Christ, who was crucified, that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned. Those are the basic beliefs.

You've just shot a huge hole in Gamecock. Mormons would unhesitatingly subscribe to all those beliefs.

56 posted on 07/05/2007 10:15:35 AM PDT by jimt
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To: AzaleaCity5691; Logophile

AC5691:” that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned.”

I wonder which group has more true Christians, the Mormon Church or the Roman Catholic Church?

Even though the RC church has deified Mary and made an idol of her, I still think they win hands down.

Personally, I think they both border on heresy and cultism. One is cannibalistic and iconic while the other is polytheistic...


64 posted on 07/05/2007 11:18:55 AM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
"A Christian accepts that the god of the Jews is God, that he had a son named Jesus Christ, who was crucified, that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned. Those are the basic beliefs."

Umm Marys eternal Chasity is *not* a cornerstone of Christianity. To believe she was chased until death or only until after the birth of Christ is not a dividing line

There is more scriptural evidence for her *not* being chased her whole life then her dying without knowing her husband.

Matthew 1:

21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not **until** she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Ill take my Shot at it: One God in three distinct persons together one God head and eternal. Christ, one of the Godhead, was sent to serve the punishment for our sins and this grace *alone* accounts for salvation. Once you step outside of this you're in trouble... Though I am no theologian so Im sure my post can be picked apart..

70 posted on 07/05/2007 11:34:17 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

How does Mary get to be an eternal virgin when she had several children by Joseph, her husband?


181 posted on 07/06/2007 7:26:25 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
A Christian accepts that the god of the Jews is God, that he had a son named Jesus Christ, who was crucified, that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned. Those are the basic beliefs.

19 posted on 07/05/2007 7:41:42 AM MDT by AzaleaCity5691

A Christian accepts that the god of the Jews is God, that he had a son named Jesus Christ, who was crucified, that Mary was an eternal virgin and was, along with Jesus, the only person on Earth to have never sinned. Those are the basic beliefs.

Fixed by reading the Holy Word of Elohim.

b'shem Yah'shua
245 posted on 07/06/2007 3:26:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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