Our Mormon Brothers?

Reformed Evangelist ^ | May 14th, 2007 | Jeff Fuller

[colorcountry]

...on full flagrant display here on thsi thread, I hope amny lurkers are reading yours and the other Anti's posts on this thread.

You posted this just so I could make fun of your intelligent conversation didn't you? Otherwise you would have kept it hidded....LOL

You would be surprised what lurkers think of our conversations. I have steered many away from Mormonism and its spurious claims. I've even had some PM me and tell me what a nasty piece of work you are....I try to correct them, and tell them you are just deluded and believe a lie.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[colorcountry]

Many Christians equate the use of the “anti” word by Mormons to be inflammatory and derrogatory much like the “n” word is to African Americans. http://blog.mrm.org/

It is definitely a way of denigrating anything that someone who is opposed to Mormonism has to say. I wish you could see a way to make them stop using it, but I’m sure you won’t since it probably doesn’t have the heightened slur to you as it has to us that are ex-Mormons. I suppose you wouldn’t understand.

Again, I am just trying to point out that quite often these defenders of Mormonism are using an inflammatory word that is quite offensive and yet it slips by your radar without your knowing.

[Religion Moderator]

For the purpose of moderating a religious debate on this forum - it does not matter whether the poster is "for" or "against" a particular belief - as long as the thread is "open." It is not derogatory to be "anti" something.

I do not consider the term "anti" to be "making it personal" unless the poster is attributing motives which have not been declared by the Freeper targeted by the claim.

For instance, "your anti-atheist position..." may not be making it personal, if you have made it clear that you are against atheism.

On the other hand, if someone is attributing motives to you - and not merely summing up your position - let them know and ping me because that would be "making it personal."

[colorcountry]

In 1985, Vaughn J. Featherstone, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy of the LDS Church addressed students at the Church-owned Brigham Young University, calling anti-Mormon material “theological pornography that is damaging to the spirit,” stating that “none of it is worth casting an eye upon. Do not read the anti-Mormon materials. Featherstone, Vaughn J. (1985). The Last Drop in the Chalice (PHP). Speeches.BYU.edu. Retrieved on 2006-06-01.
Cited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormon

So in other words when we are called “Anti-Mormons,” they are accusing us of theological pornography.

[DelphiUser]

You and Delphiuser...seem like twins.

You both appear to be very enamored with yourselves...

We know a good thing when we see it, even if it's in the mirror, LOL!

I can't count the number of "I's" in both your posts and homepages...

Sorry, Me will endeavor to use more Me's in stead of the letter between H and J, better? Me hope so!.

Humble you both are not...

Hey Me be humble , Me also Proud of it! (that's a Little joke me made)

IMO, you both are deceived.

Opinions are like ... Well noses, everybody's got one and they all smell (BTW you said the letter)

Before you get all "het up" in that comment...That's not much different than you telling me that Mormonism is the "True Church", and if it's not...there's no God.

Me's too old and too tired from a business trip to get "het up" this AM...

Basically it appears in that statement you've proven many questioner's of the BOM/Mormon's...right.

Um, you lost me here, the spirit testifies of truth, following the testimony of any man for or against is like the blind leading the blind, hey, isn't there a scripture...

BTW Appearances tot eh contrary not withstandinf, EdwardWatson and I are different persons, thanks for the compliment though.

DU

[DelphiUser]

Proves in my mind that...

I am always glad to help someone make up their mind when they are felling indecisive... Mormon's believe that their church alone is THE ANSWER..and "other Christians" are doomed.

Unfortunately, this is an incorrect interpretation of Mormon Doctrine, while we claim to be the only true church, we also believe only willfully bad people of a very high level of knowledge are doomed (Cain and the Antichrist spoken of in the book of Revelations are good examples) So I am sorry to disappoint you you do not qualify for being doomed.

As for claiming to be the "True Church" this is a silly argument on the face of it, I have never seen a church that claimed they are the "Untrue" or "Wrong" church, they all claim to be true so getting your nose bent out of shape about it just does not make sense.

Which poses the dichotomy that they are always complaining about having their Christianity questioned. Explaining that "they" are the same as us.....

Yep, we claim to have the true Gospel just like the Catholics, We claim to be the only true church, just like th Catholics, we claim to be Christian, Just like the Catholics, nobody is saying the Catholics aren't Christian because of these things... what's the problem again?

But wait, DelphiUser says those that have prayed and received answers and LEFT the Mormon Church are "just not ready yet" ( supposely meaning that they aren't ready to "see the light" of Mormonism )...

(I just have to ask...Is there a valid point anywhere in our future?)

Can't have it both ways folks. Ya just can't yell to the treetops that you are "just like other, Christians"..then say if Mormonism isn't the "True Church" then God doesn't exist. Or say...."but some people just aren't ready yet"..after they have sought the Holy Spirit and read the BOM..and rejected it. But affirm their Christianity, based on their knowledge of the NT.

So, IF one person is not ready to commit the whole church is wrong? ROTFLOL!

Love the logic, keep on posting it!

DU

[DelphiUser]

To anyone who is genuinely confuesd, Edward apears to have been raised a Catholic, I was raised a Momon nad have talked about it lots here.

We are not he same person, although, I admire his work.

[DelphiUser]

Yes, and all you do is post links to a specious site written by a man you claim is you, full of unfounded and spurious claims.

How is that petard of yours feeling about now?
B Have you been to the site? It has the name Edward Watson at the top of every page.

spurious? Do you read your own posts? Just asking...

(Grin)

DU

[colorcountry]

Nope, I never read my own posts.....duh.

I can park in the garage and call myself a car all day long, it doens't make me a car.

If you haven't noticed, you can be all things to all people on the internet. You could even be delphi User and Edward Watson at the same time, all the while being Tommy Monson in real life.

By the way, I consulted with the most famous "anti" mormons (as you call them)that I personally know and they've never heard of an LDS apologist named Edward Watson. Also, just so you recognize this fact, neither Edward's posts nor your's are considered doctrinal by the LDS Church. Your opinions are just that - opinions, and you know what they say about opinions?

[colorcountry]

Oops, I meant to ping edward to post 789.

[DelphiUser]

I have at times seen DU show some humility, although not often!

Thanks, I think (grin)

Humility does not play well on these boards as I have learned from Sad experience, there is no quarter given by those who are busily attacking the church of God (my belief) I would love to have a civil discussion, and have had a few here where I was not told what I believe by those who clearly have no idea.

For those who are attacking us to claim we lack sufficient humility is ... Amusing.

Anyway, thanks for standing up for me.

DU

[greyfoxx39]

Anyway, thanks for standing up for me.

See, that didn't hurt did it?

BTW, civil discussions work both ways...just a little tip from a "fruity""mormon assaulter". ;)

[Osage Orange]

To anyone who is genuinely confuesd, Edward apears to have been raised a Catholic, I was raised a Momon nad have talked about it lots here. We are not he same person, although, I admire his work.

Heck DU...by this post you appear to be Restoru.

ROFLOL!!

[DelphiUser]

The Mormon “eternal” God was once a man, meaning he was born, meaning he’s not eternal.

I had this discussion earlier, Temporal mechanics says that if a being (God) exists outside of time, then there is never a "Time" when he did not exists because he can travel to that point easier than I can go to the Kitchen. God is eternal, and was at some point a mortal, if you can't understand that, fine, but don't say I can't believe what I do.

God is eternal

God was once a man.

Both are true, both are Mormon Belief.

You redefine the word eternal to mean “not eternal” and then get on your high horse.

Truth is, our job is to put ourselves in better alignment with it. I am doing my best, but I have had your perspective, and honestly, I feel I have grown to know more than that. You will now probably talk about my horse, just keep it nice, he has feelings too.

You have been sucked into a cult. Do you really think I’m the one lying here?

I prefer to think that you are doing the best you can with what you have and that it's a shame you will not accept more, or even Pray to find out if there is more. Why on earth would you behave like the Israelites in the desert who upon being bitten by the fiery serpents would not look at the serpent on a pole Moses put up for them to be cured by? Look to God, ask him, do not go by the strength of your own knowledge for that way dies death. Pray, why on earth or in heaven would God not answer such a request?

DU

[ComeUpHigher]

Interesting position.

Opponents of the pro-life position are described by me as “pro-abortion” because I think that is an accurate description. I don’t view it as a pejorative description. Those who support abortion object to such description and demand that they be described as “pro-choice” and their opponents as “anti-choice.” Regrettably, the mainstream media has, largely, accomodated their demands.

Opponents of the Mormon Church are called “anti-Mormons” because, that is an accurate description. According to the dictionary, “anti” is an adjective meaning “opposed.” You are “opposed,” to the Mormon Church, aren’t you? There is nothing pejorative about the expression; rather, it is an accurate description.

[DelphiUser]

"The Mormon God is a God of the entire universe, not just of this single planet"

According to another Mormon on this thread, (DelphiUser @ #424), there are other universes with other creator gods.

Polytheism.

By your logic the Bible is Polytheistic for it speaks of many Gods, and even commands us to have no other God before him int eh Ten commandments what a useless commandment if there were not her Gods.

BTW my point in said Post was that those Gods are only Gods over their creations, not our God which is in complete agreement with the commandment that we have no other Gods before our creator.

Please real my posts more carefully, so that you do not inadvertently misrepresent my position as you have here.

Thank you.

DU

[colorcountry]

Okay, then it is okay for me to call you anti-Christian orthodoxy....or anti-christ for short?

[DelphiUser]

LOL!

I just responded to this as I was chewing my way though the thread, and used almost the same words, no wonder they think we are clones.

Well, people who are replying from a standpoint of Truth will often have the same answer, it's like different people working the same math problem. Edward, I'm glad you are here.

TTYL

DU

[Enosh]

"By your logic the Bible is Polytheistic for it speaks of many Gods"

Wrong. Show me one place where the Bible speaks of a false god while using the capital 'G' to designate the real God.

The Bible speaks of only one God; that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

On the other hand are all the false gods which you and Ed seem so eager to grasp: Nisroch, Nergal, Ashima, Succoth-benoth, Nibhaz, Tartak, etc.