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To: ELS; Petrosius; vladimir998; adiaireton8
God performs the miracle. The priest calls on Him in the words of the consecration of the bread and the wine

I thought so, I just needed a clarification, Thank you.

It is my understanding that the tradiitional Latin Mass either doesn't have epiklesis or that epiklesis is diminished. Can you clarify that?

74 posted on 06/16/2007 9:00:37 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

You wrote:

“It is my understanding that the tradiitional Latin Mass either doesn’t have epiklesis or that epiklesis is diminished. Can you clarify that?”

Yes and no. There is no explicit prayer called the epiclesis, but:

“This is the theory defended by their theologians at the Council of Florence (1439). A deputation of Latins and Greeks was appointed then to discuss the question. The Greeks maintained that both forms are necessary, that Transubstantiation does not take place till the second one (the Epiklesis) is pronounced, and that the Latin “Supplices te rogamus” is a true Epiklesis having the same effect as theirs.” http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05502a.htm

Apparently this view, that the “Supplices te rogamus” is a true Epiklesis, is still held by Eastern Orthodox liturgists such as Nicholas Cabasilas:

“According to the great Orthodox liturgical scholar and saint, Nicholas Cabasilas, the prayer in the Roman rite “Supplices te rogamus” (”Most humbly we implore Thee”) is an “ascending epiklesis.”” http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/liturgics/johnson_western_rite.htm


77 posted on 06/16/2007 9:30:03 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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