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To: adiaireton8
I also found it interesting how the power to transform bread and wine was conferred separately from the power to forgive sins.

Two different prayers during the ordination?

61 posted on 06/15/2007 9:23:19 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Let's see if I can sum this up. The ordination began after the homily. This began with the call, the scrutiny and the instruction. Then came the prostration of the two deacons (who were to made priests) during the litany of the saints. Then the bishop (and all the priests) imposed their hands on the deacons for the "bestowal of the office" of the priesthood. Then came the investiture with the priestly vestments (chasuble). But the chasuble was still folded up, not full length. Then came the anointing of their hands, so that [quoting from the English translation]: "whatsoever they shall bless may be blessed, and whatsoever they shall consecrate be consecrated and sanctified, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ." Then came the "Bestowal of the power to offer Holy Mass", where Archbishop Burke said to the two deacons [translated to English]: "Receive the power to offer sacrifice to God and to celebrate Mass for the living as well as for the dead. In the name of the Lord." Then came the Alleluia. Then the Gospel was chanted in Latin. The Creed was then sung in Latin. Then [skipping a bit], after the Sanctus, came the Agnus Dei, then we received the Eucharist. Then both of the deacons cited the Creed in Latin in unison. And then Archbishop Burke imposed his hands upon them again, for the "Bestowal of the Power to Forgive Sins", saying [translated to English], "Receive the Holy Ghost; whose sins thou shalt forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins thous shalt retain, they are retained." Then the chasuble was unfolded full length. There was more that I am skipping over. The point I'm making is that the conferral of the power to transform bread and wine took place before the Eucharist, but the conferral of the power to forgive sins took place after the Eucharist.

-A8

62 posted on 06/15/2007 10:06:38 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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