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Catholic beliefs about Mary, the Mother of God
Renew America ^ | April 7, 2007 | J.M. McCarthy

Posted on 04/11/2007 10:43:02 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Nihil Obstat
Yes, salvation is a gift from God. Ephesians 2: 8,9.

Sinless people do not need a Savior. Why would God re-gift Mary if she didn't need it? She received the gift because she needed it due to Original Sin.

Where from the Scriptures can you find that Mary, in specific, was exempt from Original Sin?

Take a look at Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 5. Paul was a contemporary of Mary, and he's pretty specific about mankind's sin problem and who is under its curse in verse 12 and following. Paul was a contemporary of Mary - they lived in the same time period.

Why wouldn't he make the notation that Mary was exempt from Original Sin? Being exempt from Original Sin is very significant, so why doesn't he mention it? His letter to the Romans goes into great detail about the origin of sin, who is liable (Jews and Gentiles), its consequences and freedom from its effects in this life and the next.

Why wouldn't he note the exception in this exposition of how salvation works?

41 posted on 04/12/2007 9:14:37 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Scotswife

You better look up “worship” and “reverence” in the dictionary.....HUGE diff.


42 posted on 04/12/2007 9:16:52 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: wagglebee; Alex Murphy

Alex Murphy and the AdminModerator are anti-Catholics.


43 posted on 04/12/2007 9:17:52 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy; Alex Murphy

Alex is okay, he’s probably going to convert soon.


44 posted on 04/12/2007 9:20:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Here it is!!! The Bible reference is for Jesus’s conception.


45 posted on 04/12/2007 9:28:33 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

No, proof of the Immaculate Conception clearly exists in scripture, going back to Genesis Chapter 3 and it is clearly demonstrated in the Magnificat in Luke.


46 posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Suzy Quzy; wagglebee
Alex Murphy and the AdminModerator are anti-Catholics.

Who, me? I'm harmless. You should get to know me better!


47 posted on 04/12/2007 9:35:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Between the Lines
Thanks for your post, sometimes believers have to go back to the basics.
48 posted on 04/12/2007 9:36:53 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: wagglebee

The admin mod said I can’t say anti-Catholic anymore.


49 posted on 04/12/2007 9:36:54 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy; wagglebee
The admin mod said I can’t say anti-Catholic anymore.

Not my doing. When did this happen? Just since post #43???

50 posted on 04/12/2007 10:04:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Suzy Quzy

I was being a wise a—.
I’m catholic.
Just a cranky one.


51 posted on 04/12/2007 10:07:34 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer

Bump for later reading.


52 posted on 04/12/2007 10:08:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter-Thompson '08)
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To: Between the Lines
1 Cor. 16:20 ....Greet one another with a holy kiss.

I'm on a "no kiss hello" program, like on the Seinfeld episode. LOL!

53 posted on 04/12/2007 10:11:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter-Thompson '08)
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To: Alex Murphy; Suzy Quzy

I guess you’re stuck with being an apostate heretic from now on.


54 posted on 04/12/2007 10:41:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Suzy Quzy
I guess you’re stuck with being an apostate heretic from now on.

LOL! "Apostate" already, yet I've never been a Catholic!

55 posted on 04/12/2007 10:47:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Go back and read your history books, we can burn anyone we want at the stake!


56 posted on 04/12/2007 10:54:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Alex Murphy and the AdminModerator are anti-Catholics.

Not even one of the Moderators is anti-Catholic.
57 posted on 04/12/2007 11:23:31 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: wagglebee
No, proof of the Immaculate Conception clearly exists in scripture, going back to Genesis Chapter 3 and it is clearly demonstrated in the Magnificat in Luke.

Are you sure you want to stick with this post, wagglebee?

In one of my earlier posts, I cited Luke 1:47, where Mary says in the Magnificat "and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior". People who need a savior are not sinless. That's the current discussion.

It's been posited that Mary was given salvation in the womb, allowing her to be born sinless.

My current rebuttal is that if that were true, why isn't it anywhere else in Scripture that Mary was exempt from Original Sin, and I cited Paul's letter to the Romans where he goes into great detail in chapter 5:12ff about all of mankind's inclusion in sin's snare. Mary is not mentioned, and Paul was a contemporary of Mary. I also put forth the idea of why would salvation be given to someone/anyone who didn't need it - God would surely not re-gift someone, would He?

59 posted on 04/12/2007 11:55:00 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Tax-chick

So how is Fr. Fessio?

;-o)


60 posted on 04/12/2007 12:03:11 PM PDT by Frank Sheed
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