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To: MarkBsnr

No works, good or bad will save you. You or anyone else will never be able to boast to God about something you did to get you into heaven. All get there the same way, through what Jesus did.

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


Romans 4:1,2

"What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God."

Romans 4:4,5

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

If you work for salvation, you are telling Jesus that he owes you something for your good works. I tell him thank you for his gift by faith because he paid my debt for me.


1,360 posted on 03/08/2007 7:07:19 AM PST by faithplusnothing1
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To: faithplusnothing1
No works, good or bad will save you. You or anyone else will never be able to boast to God about something you did to get you into heaven. All get there the same way, through what Jesus did.

If you work for salvation, you are telling Jesus that he owes you something for your good works. I tell him thank you for his gift by faith because he paid my debt for me.

I highly doubt that there is any Catholic here who would say that they are saved by works. If there is one, that one doesn't know his catechism very well.

The fundamental difference is that we Catholics say that we are saved by grace. Most Protestants say that they are saved by faith. There is a difference.

God gives us the saving grace (He calls us). We respond sacramentally by being baptized. The Holy Spirit works in us, we respond. But it is initially by grace.

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Note what that verse says: work out your own salvation.

But, in order to comprehend the relationship, you see the next verse:

Phil 2:13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

God works within you (v13). You then cooperate with God (v12) to "work out your own salvation."

This cooperation is a necessary thing, as God gives us all free will.

Consider what St. Paul said to the Church in Corinth: For we are God's fellow workers (1 Cr 3:9)

There are many, many times where Christians are called, in scripture, to do something. Walk by the Spirit, mortify the flesh, confess sins, and so on. The Holy Spirit gives us the grace to desire that; we cooperate through taking the appropriate actions, and we grow in grace (See 1 Pet 3:18).

But your consistent implication that Catholics believe that we are saved by works sounds like a broken record. Catholics do not believe we are saved by works. We do believe we are saved by grace.

1,365 posted on 03/08/2007 7:55:13 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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