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To: Mad Dawg; Salvation
How about "Saving Pain"?

Ah, yes, Salvifici Doloris, a beautiful apostolic letter!

But it's better translated as Salvific Suffering...as it is not simply referring to physical or psychic pain, but all manner of suffering.

(Oh, and by the way) 2 Cor 1:5 For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too.

Col 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church

It's truly amazing what scripture actually says when one takes the time to read it!

1,355 posted on 03/08/2007 5:41:13 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
But it's better translated as Salvific Suffering...as it is not simply referring to physical or psychic pain, but all manner of suffering.

NOBODY likes a smart alec!

(pssst: Salvation! He's right!)

It's lines like Col 1:24 that ought to be a clue to everyone who presents a nice tidy schemeabout grace and merit, works and faith. There's the simple proclamation that God Loves YOU! and has done everything necessary for your salvation. But then there's the working out of this gift in real time and real life, and that's where the conversation gets all confusing.

Of course, What I've noticed here in this thread is that when I make what I think would be the clearest examples, those on the other side make no response. I thought the child who buys her father a present with his money, the experience of physical therapy, or what it means to worship the great King above all gods -- all these would not so much persuade as make explain the outskirts of what we think.

But evidently I have accomplished nothing.

Tra la. God is great, and I'm not, and I like it that way.

1,357 posted on 03/08/2007 6:11:55 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: markomalley

Thanks, mark. Now you know my Latin is lacking -- only took it in high school. LOL!

(Last time I will ever try to translate some Latin on FR! LOL!)

Is there a website somewhere that would do my simple mind in this area, a favor, by translating the Latin to English?


1,413 posted on 03/08/2007 10:58:21 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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