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Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic
Apostolic Messianic Fellowship ^ | August 30, 2005 | Why No One Should Be A Catholic

Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool

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To: Salvation

>>I keep coming back to this. God wants us to be good to each other and to love Him and ask forgiveness when we do wrong. Those three simple things that God asks simply don't call me to judge the faith and worship of other Christians.**



Thank you for your informed and wise feedback. <<

Thank you and you are welcome but my response isn't anything special. Just looking at all the things Jesus said and did... He cut right to the heart of the matter and laid it all out for me.


941 posted on 03/06/2007 1:33:00 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: ladyinred

>> I keep coming back to this. God wants us to be good to each other and to love Him and ask forgiveness when we do wrong. Those three simple things that God asks simply don't call me to judge the faith and worship of other Christians.
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A big amen to that!<<

Amen. Its so easy to miss the forest for the trees or to ignore the sapling because the forest is so big.


942 posted on 03/06/2007 1:34:52 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Frank Sheed
Good news! There are some funny comments on that thread. :)


943 posted on 03/06/2007 1:35:08 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
from what I've seen, a person's adeptness at Irish dancing is directly linked to how early they started drinking!

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LOL!

944 posted on 03/06/2007 1:38:00 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

And you were the one talking bad about floozies yesterday!


945 posted on 03/06/2007 1:40:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

That'll teach me!


946 posted on 03/06/2007 1:43:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Frank Sheed
I appreciate all your hard work but it seems to buttress my position that Peter was not, under any circumstances, the first person Jesus appeared to after the resurrection.

I agree that the four Gospels don't agree exactly on the chronology or the person(s) Jesus first appeared to after the ressurection. It is clear, however; that it was not Peter.

Your reference to Mark 16:1-8 seems to ignore the very important next verse:
Mark 16: 9: Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Mark and John are in complete agreement while Matthew and Luke are ambiguous.

It leaves unanswered my question as to why He would appear first to Mary Magdalene.

947 posted on 03/06/2007 1:52:04 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: nanetteclaret
You are content to debate based on what what you THINK the Church believes: falsehoods, not facts.

You have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.

Please don't post to me.

948 posted on 03/06/2007 1:58:15 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: mockingbyrd
More than very close to none, which is what you alleged.

I note you made no attempt to supply a number.

Draw a large circle, let it represent the population of the United States or the World (your choice), now color in the part which represents the population of Catholics who have read the Catechism. The circle will be mostly blank - close to none.

949 posted on 03/06/2007 2:07:01 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: wagglebee

>>I think Irish dancing is a great idea.
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I come from a HUGE Irish family on both sides, and from what I've seen, a person's adeptness at Irish dancing is directly linked to how early they started drinking!<<

Wonderful music too...

"I've roamed through all the nations
Ta'en delight in all creation
And I've tried a wee sensation
Where the company did prove kind.
When parting was no pleasure
I've drunk another measure
To the good friends that we treasure
For they always are in our mind."


950 posted on 03/06/2007 2:07:37 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Palladin; Iscool
These stupid bigots motivate me more and more to back an ITALIAN CATHOLIC for President.

Go, Rudy!!!


Oh yes, a good Catholic. One who knows and practices Catholic teaching. :-)

I will not vote for him in the primary but will do so if he is the Republican candidate. (I'm willing to compromise my principles for the greater good.) :-)

951 posted on 03/06/2007 2:14:08 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Palladin
back an ITALIAN CATHOLIC for President.

I'd love to be able to do that. Unfortunately, no such creature is running for President, this time around.

952 posted on 03/06/2007 2:17:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: free_life
I don't know how to say this in a parliamentary way: You don't know what you are talking about AND you are changing the subject. When you all come to terms with the fact that the first thing in this outrageously irresponsible article is false and slanderous, then it would be legitimate to argue about the other stuff. What is it with thinking that by railing against something the Church does not teach you somehow refute what she does teach?

It's like the old joke about the man looking on the ground and somebody says what are you doing? He says, "I dropped my key over on Elm Street." "But this is Pine Street.""I know, but the light is so much better here so it's much easier to look."

It is as if somebody hurled a flash-bang into a room to see who stuck his head up, and then busily denied hurling the grenade.

Purgatory is NOT "between" hell and heaven. Everyone in Purgatory KNOWS he is saved. Purgatory is a place of hope and joy. It is the Riker's Island of heaven. It's in Heaven in a way, as Riker's Island was in the US in a way. (okay,not the best analogy.)I see the promise of purgatory as a MERCY of God's care for me and desire for me to be as spiritually strong and happy as possible. Compared to this life, for me Purgatory will be a step up into the beginning of bliss.

I am currently recovering from foot surgery. I am in pain. I am also thrilled (so far) because this pain is the sign that I am getting better and stronger. It is, in fact, the outskirts of greater health. (If I didn't feel pain, something would be very wrong.)

To have a discussion about what the Bible says is not unChristian. To promulgate falsehood and sophistry is at least ignorant (and so blameless if the ignorance was unavoidable) and possibly negligent (and culpable). That it could be presented as a fruit of the Spirit is preposterous.

Some Catholics may believe this or that. I have met any number of very bizarre beliefs among Protestants. Currently the Episcopal Church believes that buggery can be a sacramental act. Jehovah's witnesses believe that it is better to let a child die than to allow him a blood transfusion. But I don't throw their deviations from what Protestants generally believe in your face. I leave that kind of sophistry to you all.

If the doctrine of purgatory denies the finished work of Salvation on the Cross (which evidently I am supposed to believe on your authority) then so do Paul and Jesus.

And I love your last sentence: I understand you to say you can lie and offend without guilt because those who disagree with you are going to hell. I suppose when you go fishing you start by stomping around in the creek and setting off fireworks, and when you want to catch flies you set out saucers of vinegar. Good luck with that, but I hope you understand my suspicion that catching fish or flies is not really your goal.

953 posted on 03/06/2007 2:23:01 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: Mad Dawg
It is the Riker's Island of heaven.

Are you sure you don't mean Ellis Island?

Ellis Island was the immigrant processing place. Riker's Island is the New York City jail.

954 posted on 03/06/2007 2:29:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

You can assert anything you want to, but that doesn't make it true. You can insist that barely any Catholics have read the CCC. I don't know why you feel like you need to make this false assertion, but I guess it is in keeping the false nature of this article.


955 posted on 03/06/2007 2:32:58 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: faithplusnothing1
What about sinning against the Holy Spirit? It's an unforgiveable sin?

I don't see your interpretation of 'if you think you can lose salvation, you never had it' in the Bible, FWIW.

956 posted on 03/06/2007 2:38:06 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: OLD REGGIE

If we can count the Baltimore Catechism, I would say many. The newer catechism, which is written at a higher level, is much more wordy.


957 posted on 03/06/2007 2:39:57 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I guess this is a backhanded way of admitting your attack on "Protestant Theology" was mistaken?

LOLOLOL!!!

Almost.

Let me help out a little bit:

I guess this is a backhanded way of admitting your attack on "Protestant Theology" was is mistaken?.

There. All better now!

958 posted on 03/06/2007 2:44:59 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: free_life
If you are trying to earn your way to heaven you will miss it.
10-4

Enter into relationship with Christ by faith in His finished work for you. He was punished in your place. If you will rest your faith in that alone you will not have to pay the punishment yourself.
10-4

If not, you will have to pay the punishment for your sins.
Which no sinful man can ever do.

The decision is yours and it is here you have to make it not after this life here.
10-4 - with the proviso that who makes the decision is sometimes hard to figure. When I fell in love, did I decide to or was I swept up in mhy lover's wooing? Pretty much both.

959 posted on 03/06/2007 2:52:23 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: MarkBsnr
In a previous post you claimed that you were a member of the Church of God.

For those who follow the Lord Jesus Christ, being a member of His Church oughta be enough.

The Church you have described is referred to in the New Testament as "The Church of God"......never as the Universal or the Catholic Church. Now as an engineer you should be able to follow this logic.

[John 17:11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Where does this say to call them Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc? It says to keep them in the name of God!

[Acts 20:28][I Corinthians 1:2][I Corinthians 10:32][I Corinthians 11:16][I Corinthians 11:22][I Corinthians 15:9] [II Corinthians 1:1][Galatians 1:13][I Timothy 3:5][I Timothy 3:15][I Thessalonians 2:14][II Thessalonians 1:4]

Only once in scripture is the body referred to as the Church of Christ [Romans 16:16]. All other references are "Church of God" i.e. the New Testament Church!

You Romans are late comers as your organization began as the "Imperial Church of The Roman Empire".....and in no way, shape or form could ever be confused with the actual "New Testament Church of God"!

960 posted on 03/06/2007 2:52:36 PM PST by Diego1618
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