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To: Alamo-Girl

" Truly said and goes back to the very point of my post 7036 for if a man lives by any power other than Christ Himself, he will truly attract demons, have no power within himself to resist them – and he will crash and burn."

Why would demons bother with such a person, AG? Doesn't this person already belong to them?

" Further I testify that nothing can happen in the life of such a Christian without it also happening to Christ. Demons cannot invade Christ – and nothing can happen to such a one except either according to God’s will or by His permission."

Interesting. Are demons God's agents of Evil to mankind? Put another way, is God the creator of Evil?

"So there is nothing to fear the demons just like there is no reason to complain, no reason to doubt, no reason to worry, no reason to resent, no reason to want and so on."

I take it you understand Christians to be in a state of perfect theosis, in other words, that they have arrived at a likeness of God to such an extent that demons not only do not trouble them, they flee from them?


7,077 posted on 01/20/2007 12:31:35 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl
I take it you understand Christians to be in a state of perfect theosis, in other words, that they have arrived at a likeness of God to such an extent that demons not only do not trouble them, they flee from them?

It's Romans 6, Kolo. That's where the rub is.

7,083 posted on 01/20/2007 1:48:01 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; Quix; hosepipe; betty boop
Why would demons bother with such a person, AG? Doesn't this person already belong to them?

Physically hearing the word is not enough, the ones Christ is speaking to below were physically hearing Him, but they were not spiritually hearing Him. They did not understand:

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:26-27

And concerning the demons, part of what they do is to take away what Christ has said. But that only happens when the hearer didn’t “get it” in the first place (emphasis mine):

And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some [seeds] fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. – Matt 13:3-9

Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth [it]; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. – Matt 13:18-23

You continued:

Are demons God's agents of Evil to mankind? Put another way, is God the creator of Evil?

To answer your questions here I must make a strict delineation between the leading I have in the Spirit and my own musings. First, the leading I have in the Spirit is to leave the devil alone, God will deal with him:

Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. – Jude 1:8-11

As for the musings which ring true in the Spirit:

First, is the Jewish interpretation that the reason there was a beginning at all was that God the Father wanted to reveal Himself.

In the beginning – regardless of cosmology (cyclic, inflationary, epkyrotic, multi-world, multi-verse, imaginary time, hesitating, etc.) all that exists is God Himself. Space and time do not exist, neither does causality. In the absence of time, events cannot occur. In the absence of space, things cannot exist. Without space/time there is no energy, no matter, no thing at all. Only existence exists, i.e. God.

IOW, the beginning (both physical and spiritual) was a willful act of God the Creator. (First Cause) Which is to say there is nothing of which anything can be made but God Himself. Reality is God's will and unknowable in its fullness.

But God is Light and in Him there is no darkness at all. He is good and not evil. So I meditated and prayed why this is so.

In response to that prayer, I now have peace in the spirit with this understanding: God has revealed Himself by contrast. How would we know light if we had never seen darkness? Good if we had never seen evil? Sickness v. health, courage v. fear, right v. wrong – and so on.

And so there was a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil right there in the Garden of Eden for Adam to see, to observe – but not to feed on, not to make a part of himself. But we know how that ended up.

Once Adam fed on the knowledge of good and evil, it became a part of himself and he was hopelessly stained red. No matter how much white was added to him, he could never be more than another shade of pink. He had to be born again, which is exactly what Christ made possible by His own body and blood!

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. – Isaiah 1:18

Because of Christ, Adamic men can return home, to where they belonged in the first place.

You see, it was never “about” this heaven and earth – from the beginning, it has always been about the next heaven and earth – God and His family and those to whom He has revealed Himself and with whom He will always live.

I take it you understand Christians to be in a state of perfect theosis, in other words, that they have arrived at a likeness of God to such an extent that demons not only do not trouble them, they flee from them?

All along I’ve spoken of the “walk.” The Christian is justified from the very moment he first believes. Thereafter, he works out his own salvation becoming sanctified in Christ.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. – Philippians 2:12

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. – 1 John 1:1

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. – Romans 8:4-6

Nevertheless we are still His sheep, whether we are just taking baby steps or whether we’re at the end and have only that burning desire to weigh anchor from this life and go home. So yes, from the moment we first believe – no matter how immature we might be in our understanding – we belong to Jesus Christ and no one but no one – whether mortal man or demon or circumstances of life will ever separate us from Him.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Romans 8:38-39

Oh the demons will try to snatch us away from Him, but they cannot succeed.

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. – John 10:28-29


7,160 posted on 01/20/2007 10:50:59 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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