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To: hosepipe; Mad Dawg; Marysecretary; wmfights; betty boop; cornelis
Er, if I may, I don't see where hosepipe was speaking of Catholicism per se but rather, generally, that tradition and dogma try to occlude the fact that the Word of God is alive.

The motivation (wanting to be the intermediary) is inferred from the particular honor given to certain texts and writings in the territorial domains of Christian assemblies (whether Catholic, Calvinist, Orthodox, Mormon or whatever) so as to recognize the Person of Jesus Christ, Himself - indirectly through those honored scripts rather than directly - One on one - without filters, veils, intermediaries, etc.

Which was hosepipe's point here:

Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.

The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.

6,936 posted on 01/19/2007 11:09:31 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
I was wrong.

In mitigation, though, I do want to mention the frequent disparaging of the Catholic Church as bound by tradition and dogma. For us they, that is teachings and the things handed down to us by our predecessors, are not veils but conduits and signposts leading directly to the Vision of God (if we let them).

But yeah and sho' 'nuff! The peril of theologians is to prefer theology to God.

6,940 posted on 01/19/2007 11:17:11 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Alamo-Girl

What you said...


6,941 posted on 01/19/2007 11:21:15 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe

Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.
The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.
Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.
The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.
Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.
The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.
Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.
The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.
Taking this very thing for granted (He is alive) trumps opinion.. or dead letters.. God(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is/are alive.. NOT a formulaic human observation..

For the philosophers among us the difference is between the image (or artifacts) of the person and the Person.
The inference is that assemblies per se seem to want to look at the image rather than the Person and thus there are dogmas, traditions, etc. Also related to post 5923, i.e. the dogma and tradition are a 'vail' like the one which was wanted to obscure His glory from Moses' face.

= = =

Very accurate, imho.

Thanks.


7,004 posted on 01/19/2007 5:49:10 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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