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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper
How so FK?

Good morning, Kolo

Because mother of God is only partially accurate. What is actually being said is "Mother of the Incarnate 2d Person of the Trinity."

"Mother of God" ignores the Trinity.

That's why using it in conversations with non-Christians would add an additional layer of communication problems that it would be best to avoid. Best to say that Mary is mother Jesus the Christ.

FK is exactly correct, because he has carefully pointed out that his concern is communication with a person not steeped in subtle Christian distinctions.

5,654 posted on 01/13/2007 5:38:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; Forest Keeper

"Good morning, Kolo"

Morning, Padre!

"Mother of God" ignores the Trinity."

With all due respect, I think saying the foregoing betrays either a misunderstanding of, or ignores, The Trinity.

"Trinity is simple unity; it is not merged together - it is three in one. The One three-hypostatical God has the three hypostases perfectly distinct in Himself." +Gregory of Sinai

Ergo, of necessity she is the Theotokos.

But, you go on to say,

"That's why using it in conversations with non-Christians would add an additional layer of communication problems that it would be best to avoid. Best to say that Mary is mother Jesus the Christ.

FK is exactly correct, because he has carefully pointed out that his concern is communication with a person not steeped in subtle Christian distinctions."

Now THAT I can understand, especially the final sentence. I suppose over 5600 posts on this thread alone demonstrates the truth of what you say. Orthodox Christianity, of course, is often found in precisely those "subtle Christian distinctions" which often set the demarcation line between Truth and heresy. So yes, I suppose there is no harm in your proposal to the extent that the hearers are not up on the Trinitarian theology and that once they are, Theotokos is used lest the hearer fall into Nestorianism.


5,658 posted on 01/13/2007 6:03:41 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: xzins

"Mother of God" ignores the Trinity.

That's why using it in conversations with non-Christians would add an additional layer of communication problems that it would be best to avoid. Best to say that Mary is mother Jesus the Christ.

FK is exactly correct, because he has carefully pointed out that his concern is communication with a person not steeped in subtle Christian distinctions.
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IMPORTANT POINTS.

However, still, the most destructive aspect of MOTHER OF GOD usage, to me,

is the subtle to not so subtle demonic press that results in a kind of strong hint, aire, assertion, . . .

that therefore MARY is above God or at least co-redemtrix equal to God.

That is from the pit of hell and it is INHERENT with virtually every MOTHER OF GOD utterance.


5,697 posted on 01/13/2007 9:25:25 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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