Traducianism states that God created the soul of Adam and that this soul is propagated from generation to generation, at the moment of conception. It doesn't say that the parents "create" the soul. The spark of life (anima) given to Adam is pased on to every generation through the God-created act of pro-creation.
Creationism (which is by far the most widely held view) states that God creates the soul of every human being at conception.
Neither one teachies pre-existence of the soul prior to conception and neither one teaches that humans "create" a soul.
The author makes a conclusion without any support of facts
And the pre-existence of the souls is biblical? Not only is it not biblical, but it is pagan (see post 13,951) The author states that Genesis and other Biblical refrences give us an insight that God gave Adam a soul, not that this soul and all the souls of humans were pre-fabcricted in God's laboratory from before foundations of the world.
You're the one casting around Gnostic labels
Maybe because the Gnostics believed in pre-existence of the souls? You find it strange that the two may be connected?
You say this didn't happen again but you've failed to explain how Eve received her soul.
I didn't say anything. I simply stated two Christian belifs, both of which agree that the souls are not pre-fabricated.
Eve received her soul from God, whether through Adam, or ex-nihilo.
This doesn't state anything about the soul. All it says it that Seth was in his likeness.
God created us in His likeness and out children are created in our (fallen) likeness. certainly, God didn't pre-fabricate defective souls! Our souls are wounded and made defective through Adam's sin. It simply supports the propgation theory.
to me that if God did no further creating and ALL things were made through Him as John 1 states, that means all souls were created in the beginning.
The propagation theory states that God created Adam's soul, not that it pre-existed Adam. Adam was already created as a lifeless man. God then breaths life into him at that moment. God didn't pre-create light. He said: let here be light. He also said Let Us make man. God doesn't need to pre-create anything.
The creation of Adam seems like a single event with two steps: clay, soul. No pre-fab parts in it.
It states very clearly that the spirit shall return to God. If it is returning then it must have pre-existed.
That's a complete non-sequitur, HD. This only means that God gave us the soul and when we die that soul goes back to Him (it doesn't die). There is nothing in Ecc 12:7 that even remotely suggests the soul was pre-existent. It only states that it came from God.
You are saying that God stopped creating back in Genesis 2 (which I would happen to agree with). If this is the case, then how can a new born baby born today have a soul if God has not already created them? Where did this soul come from and when? Please explain.
I am not saying this; I am stating one of the two Christian theories (beliefs) on how human soul is created. This particlar segment refers to the propagation theory. The newborn baby gets the soul which was originally given to Adam by procreation, a God-created method of passing the life from generation to generation.
Obviously the Creationist theory (which is held by most Christians) is that God didn't stop creating and that He creates a soul for each and every one of us individually at the moment of conception.
Can you provide a reference? My understanding is that Origen view of the soul extended far more than simply the pre-existence issue
Of course. The proceedings of the Fifth Ecumenical Council (553 AD):
IF anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema... "
Warning, the proceedings are long (considering your self-assesed attention span).
You're not alone in this belief. I think 95% of Christisdom believes this. Personally I don't. Only through trying to know and love the Son will we keep His commandments; whereas the only reason we keep His commandments is simply because of the Son
How is your love for the Son expressed by ingoring His commandment? Nothing in it says that we do it without going through the Son, who is the Light, the Life and the Way to the Father.
Now that being said I noticed this statement: