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To: xzins
The contrast is between Mary and his brothers and those in the crowd who are his spiritual brothers and mother.

What contrast? The repudiation of His family is a counterscriptural Protestant tale. the child is taken to heaven, but the woman remains on earth. This denies the Assumption, doesn't it?

No it does not deny the Assumption, which indeed followed the Ascension by many years.

In fact, it is not about Mary at all

2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days. 7 And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels: 8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.

(Apoc. 12)

Who, do you think is the woman who gives birth to Christ?
1,252 posted on 12/13/2006 1:38:02 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
Who, do you think is the woman who gives birth to Christ?

Israel ... of the twelve tribes.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

...

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I'm pretty sure I have read in Catholic posts that you believe that Mary did not experience birth pangs and travail in delivering Jesus.

Also, the persecution narrative of the remainder of the chapter is more representative of Israel (the Jews) ... than of Mary.

1,272 posted on 12/13/2006 4:39:48 AM PST by Quester
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To: annalex; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman
who is the woman who gives birth to the child?

The woman of Rev 12 who gives birth to a male child:


1,293 posted on 12/13/2006 6:25:41 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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