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To: fortheDeclaration
I do not see the word saved in vs.10. [of Romans 2]

No, not 10, but verse 7 speaks of eternal life, that is of salvation and not of a post-salvation reward.

James is speaking of what is seen, he is not speaking of being justified in the theological sense

This is your opinion, in which I am not interested. James uses both "saved" (James 2:14) and "justified" (James 2:24) in the same passage.

In Romans 4, v.5 speaks of works for reward and out of obligation, and in v.9 of works od ceremonial law. Indeed, neither is salvific.

[Luke 17:5-10] has nothing to do with salvation, it has to do with rewards Luke 17:5-10] explains how faith is increased, through works. And faith, we all agree, is salvific.

1Cor.3 is not proof text for the non-Biblical purgetory

The spelling is "Purgatory". Yes, it is such prooftext. We've been there a year ago.

offering a sin offering means that she was a sinner

What was her sin then? The offering in question is done after a woman gives birth. We don't consider giving birth sin. Do you?

12,436 posted on 04/12/2007 2:25:11 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
I do not see the word saved in vs.10. [of Romans 2] No, not 10, but verse 7 speaks of eternal life, that is of salvation and not of a post-salvation reward.

The key word in verse 7 is seek.

If one seeks eternal life and follows what God says, the Gospel will be revealed to him as in the case of Cornilus (Acts 10)

James is speaking of what is seen, he is not speaking of being justified in the theological sense

This is your opinion, in which I am not interested. James uses both "saved" (James 2:14) and "justified" (James 2:24) in the same passage.

No, what I gave was the correct interpretation of the verse.

shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

As for being 'saved', James is discussing being saved from physical death, (sin unto death 1Jn.5:16), not eternal damnation.

See Jn.16:2 and 2Tim.2:16.

In Romans 4, v.5 speaks of works for reward and out of obligation, and in v.9 of works od ceremonial law. Indeed, neither is salvific.

No, Romans makes it clear it is discussing eternal salvation and the works it is discussing are all works.

Just as Eph. 2:9 states, not by works lest anyone should boast'

[Luke 17:5-10] has nothing to do with salvation, it has to do with rewards Luke 17:5-10] explains how faith is increased, through works. And faith, we all agree, is salvific.

No one disagrees that faith can be increased by works, proving the faith.

Yet that faith has nothing to do with salvation, since salvation faith is a seed that is an eternal seed that is implanted and cannot die (1Pe.1:23)

The faith that grows has to do with Christian maturity and growth, as was the case of Abraham who was saved in Gen.15, but not called a friend of God until Gen.22.

1Cor.3 is not proof text for the non-Biblical purgetory

The spelling is "Purgatory". Yes, it is such prooftext. We've been there a year ago.

Thank you for the spelling correction, but the man in 1Cor. 3 is not being burned, his works are.

offering a sin offering means that she was a sinner

What was her sin then? The offering in question is done after a woman gives birth. We don't consider giving birth sin. Do you?

The sin offering was for all women who gave birth because they had sin in their bodies, not for any particular sin-just as Mary had a body of sin (Ps.51:5) like every human being born of a human father.

12,488 posted on 04/13/2007 4:49:49 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: annalex
This is your opinion, in which I am not interested. James uses both "saved" (James 2:14) and "justified" (James 2:24) in the same passage.

Ye see than how by works a man is justified.

James is dealing with is seen (justified-to show to be just)

12,493 posted on 04/13/2007 5:04:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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