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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; annalex; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

John wrote Revelation not Paul, and John refers to the prayers of the Saints. Did John (or any other apostle) ever refer to the saints as living as St Paul does?


12,329 posted on 04/10/2007 7:01:26 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii; Forest Keeper; annalex; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
John wrote Revelation not Paul, and John refers to the prayers of the Saints. Did John (or any other apostle) ever refer to the saints as living as St Paul does?

No one refers to any saints as living, except +Paul. That is one of those Pauline innovations the Church resolutely rejected but never talks about.

The Book of Revelation refers to the prayers of Saints (in heaven). The author does not at any point imply that the Saints pray in response to our petitions, or that they hear our prayers.

As I wrote in post #12,324, there is simply no biblical evidence that the saints hear or respond to our prayers, but I believe with all my heart that those who prayed for us on earth would continue to do so in heaven.

So, venerating (honoring) them, loving them, kissing their icons, giving thanks to them, showing gratitude for their saintly lives and their fervent prayers, is in line with the NT witness. I find nothing wrong with that.

But I pray (as in supplication), prostrate, give glory to, worship and bow only to God, or any of His Holy Names, Father, Son, Christ, Jesus, Word, Holy Ghost/Spirit, Trinity co-essential and undivided.

12,332 posted on 04/10/2007 7:48:48 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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