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You keep saying that as if the only words that count in the NT were directly quoted from the mouth of Christ

That sets the stage and the basis. Without it anyone could say anything he wanted and claim it came from Christ.

I disagree. The saved are not captivated with pleasure (sin).

So, pleasure is sin? I guess that makes displeasure, by necessity, a "blessing?"

If we take the verse as a decree, then God fails

Only in the Protestant mindset. Once you recognize that God gave us free will, He doesn't fail; we do. He would like all ment ot be saved, but many of us will do our darnest to resist being with God (arrogance and pride).

Notice that the only ones who are raised at the last day are the ones drawn by the Father. The Father does not inwardly draw all men

Everyone is raised from the ground (cf. Rev 20:12); and the seas gave up its dead and they were judged according to their deeds (cf. Rev 20:13) — all (believers and nonbelievers) are judged according to their deeds. Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire (cf. Rev 20:14)

FK: "You keep saying that as if the only words that count in the NT were directly quoted from the mouth of Christ."

That sets the stage and the basis. Without it anyone could say anything he wanted and claim it came from Christ.

Isn't that EXACTLY what all the Fathers did? :) Yet, it seems that you accept everything from the consensus patrum as "gospel", and still question what actually IS in scripture.

So, pleasure is sin? I guess that makes displeasure, by necessity, a "blessing?"

Well if you didn't mean it like that, then what did you bring it up for? :)

Everyone is raised from the ground (cf. Rev 20:12); and the seas gave up its dead and they were judged according to their deeds (cf. Rev 20:13) — all (believers and nonbelievers) are judged according to their deeds. Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire (cf. Rev 20:14)

Jesus says: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." Who is "him"? If "him" means all men, then the sentence is non sequitur. Rev. 20:12-14 is talking about the judgment of the lost. It is a completely different idea from the first part of the sentence. I do not think Jesus spoke that incoherently.

Plus, how can you sit there and question Paul's teachings in scripture when you're quoting me Revelation? What's wrong with this picture? :)