Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Hey, HP, Happy Birthday! Kronia Pola!
Very honest post.. thanks..
I see somewhat you're situation.. probably..
Keep in mind that not all have your experience..
Some do have a relationship with the Holy Spirit..
What you said reminds me of my own experience in the past..
WIll share this with you...
I got all upset with the Holy Spirit one time..
Really upset.. and challenged him to get real with me..
Well nothing happened for the longest time but I was serious..
Eventually I heard (from within me)
"I will be as real with YOU as YOU are with ME"..
Thats all.. just that.. but I did hear/understand that..
Along with this "message" came remembrance of some times where I was not being real with my prayers.. Embarassing..
The bottom line is since then as "REAL" as I am with the Holy Spirit(answerer of prayer) the Holy Spirit is real with me.. ALWAYS.. Haven't "seen him" probably would scare me spitless probably.. BUT my prayers ARE answered, ALWAYS..
Needless to say I am careful with what I pray..
maybe that message was just to me for me..
But HECK an old heart to heart with the Holy Spirit couldn't hurt you a bit...
He is a pretty cool guy..
Know what I mean.. that is if you are serious.. d;-)~'.'.'
Not really.. holiness just means "clean" or not poluted..
Read Psalm 19...
Oh what to wear?
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Oh, I suppose the truly truest most absolutely truly righteous could wear
what Adam started out wearing . . .
and claim that since Jesus clothed us in His Righteousness, that's all the clothes we need???
Now I'm getting as silly as folks who lean on the arm of bureaucratic flesh. Oh, Dear!
There's a nudist camp by my house.
Maybe I should start a Bible study.
"This thread is turning into another Neverending Story thread!"
Yes it is...but once again its Holy Orthodoxy and the Latins shoulder to shoulder for The Church and The Ancient Faith! I DO like that! :)
You're wrong..
The Hebrew God does not allow you're input on how to relate to him..
He tells you how to do it.. else you're worshipping a mental god.. a manufactured specter or illusion..
Thats why... "You MUST be born again" -Jesus..
Therefore its NOT what you believe... its whom you ARE..
You become popes when you interpret the scripture personally but claim it to be the universally correct interpretation.
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Uhhhhh, no.
Not by a long shot.
1. We did not/do not wage intense political fights and intrigues--some waged over centuries--manipulating, consolidating, coercing ever greater levels and degrees of political power and calling it Godly.
2. We particularly do not go out with masses of armed troops to take more territory and power unto ourselves.
3. We do not build stacks of castles and layers of bureaucracy on top of toothpick shreds of ASSUMPTION, INFERENCE AND EXTRAPOLATION and pretend that's THE ABSOLUTE HOLY WRIT FROM MT SINAI.
4. We do not claim infallibility.
5. We do not fabricate layers and whole schemas of fantastical magical dogma and pretended history for Mary on top of negligible evidence and considerable evidence to the contrary--all essentially for monitary and political gain.
6. We do not parade around in pontifical splendor facilitating vain glory and idolatrous worship on the part of those bowing and scraping for the chance to kiss our ring.
7. We do not interpose ourselves between God and man and facilitate others doing so in our name.
8. We do not claim that our particular organizational group is the exclusive protectrate and exclusively mandated host to God's only righteous and correct organizational expression on earth.
9. We do not demand that all Christendom conform to our edicts or face damnation or near it.
10. We do not pretend to be the latest of a long line of nonsensically, nonBiblically appointed successors to a pebble of a Christian leader more exhorted than crowned by Christ.
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The list could go on and on.
We are NOT remotely papal. And many of us would find the assertion extremely insulting and scandalous to imagine such a thing.
But I can appreciate what a convenient little out it seemed like at the time to ignore all such facts above and claim otherwise.
Please don't post to me.
vaguely gnostic idea of the invisible Church,
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I think this has been soundly refuted repeatedly.
Shall we bring up the old assertions about satanic influence over the Holy See? As far as I can tell, one has about as much validity as the other. Actually, the gnostic assault may have a lot less from some perspectives.
Given that God DESCRIBES HIMSELF otherwise, I'll stick with
GOD'S PERSPECTIVE ON HIMSELF
instead of the assertions of a fossilized bureaucracy.
Not surprised.
But I don't.
History records, for example, that God has always had a Pentecostal cluster of belivers here and there through thick and thin--with signs following.
I'll take Holy Spirit's blessing on disconnected groups affirmed and raised up BY HIM over the assertions and pontifical blessings of any bureaucracy any where, any time.
When I show up on a Protestant thread telling them what their posture means and what is wrong with their faith, remind me.
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UHHHH . . . . even though that begs for some obvious answers . . . I'll restrain myself and pass on by . . . prayerfully . . . sitting in my grandma's Laz-Y-Boy.
"We are not amused."
Oh my, you have been seduced by the dark side. Where did you go wrong, where oh where did you go wrong. Repent for the Day of the Lord is at hand!!
Thanks.. New Drivers license day..
The New Testament was written by individual apostles, and their disciples, Catholic clergy all.
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Uhhhh, no.
The Roman bureaucracy took root, what, 300-400 years post Peter.
The whole Peter thing is more than a little arguable.
Calling anyone penning Scripture Catholic in anything remotely close to the Roman sense strikes more than a few of us as gross usurpation and cheekiness.
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