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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
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| 12/4/2006
| John-Henry Westen
Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: L.N. Smithee; TomSmedley
Did you not read what I said at the beginning of the thread? Your posts are characteristic of a lack of respect.
FWIW: Laura Ingraham, as open and devout a Catholic as exists in daily media, saw The Nativity Story over the weekend and enthusiastically recommended it on this morning's show.
As much as often admire the zealous nature of converts to Catholicism, I'll take Fr. Geiger's word over hers any day.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:42:46 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: TomSmedley
The very word "celibacy" traces back to the rites of self-castration practiced by the devotees of Cybele, the prototypical suffering mother goddess.Because the Church uses the word "celibacy," it is somehow connected to the cult of Cybele? LOL! Reread your Bible, and you'll find Our Lord talks about those who "are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it" (Matthew 19:12).
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:43:53 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: Bosco
What color should Mary be, then? Not something form new Zealand, for sure.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:45:39 PM PST
by
kosta50
(Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: kosta50
Not something form new Zealand, for sure.But you didn't answer the question. I was looking for a positive answer instead of a negative one. What color should Mary be?
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:46:44 PM PST
by
Bosco
(Remember how you felt on September 11?)
To: Bosco; kosta50
It's not just a matter of "color." It's a matter of ethnicity. Irish and Russians may be both "white," but they look different.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:51:24 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: siunevada
Based on that review, it sounds like a beautiful film. I definitely plan to see it.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:52:19 PM PST
by
alnick
To: Bosco
What color should Mary be? Whatever color the Jews of Palastine were a the time. But Maori is not just a color; it is a physique as well. Hardly a jewish physique.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:53:02 PM PST
by
kosta50
(Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: Pyro7480
The Church does not have an official teaching regarding exactly how Christ entered the world. It is certainly fair to say that Our Lady was not spared all pains of being a mother, she saw her only Son die in front of her. I'll take labor pains any day over that. She also, I believe, experienced pain if she stubbed her toe and such.
My concern is that such thoughts lead to the notion that childbearing is a punishment. I, for one, believe that Our Lady gave birth the same way most women do. Perhaps she had a heavenly c-section, but I don't think she did. Giving birth is such a powerful experience, it unites you with your child in such an intense way, I don't think God skipped that experience for her. I think her body worked with her Son's body to be born. It very well could have been painless, but to me, that's not the point.
Dignity is so much more than a physical state of being. I do believe that God did keep His Mother fully Virgin. But He was also like us in all things but sin and His mother was more than an incubator for nine months. If He wasn't born as us, then why the nine months? He could have been left on Mary's doorstep, still fully her child, since this is God we are talking about.
I have given birth twice, drug free I might add, and I just don't see the punishment of it. I don't think the words in Genesis referred to the actual giving birth pains, but rather the pains of worry, frustration and self-doubt that plague you as a parent. It's hard raising children to be the persons God created them and therein lies the suffering that was referred to in Genesis.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:54:34 PM PST
by
mockingbyrd
(Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
To: Pyro7480
The Church does not have an official teaching regarding exactly how Christ entered the world. It is certainly fair to say that Our Lady was not spared all pains of being a mother, she saw her only Son die in front of her. I'll take labor pains any day over that. She also, I believe, experienced pain if she stubbed her toe and such.
My concern is that such thoughts lead to the notion that childbearing is a punishment. I, for one, believe that Our Lady gave birth the same way most women do. Perhaps she had a heavenly c-section, but I don't think she did. Giving birth is such a powerful experience, it unites you with your child in such an intense way, I don't think God skipped that experience for her. I think her body worked with her Son's body to be born. It very well could have been painless, but to me, that's not the point.
Dignity is so much more than a physical state of being. I do believe that God did keep His Mother fully Virgin. But He was also like us in all things but sin and His mother was more than an incubator for nine months. If He wasn't born as us, then why the nine months? He could have been left on Mary's doorstep, still fully her child, since this is God we are talking about.
I have given birth twice, drug free I might add, and I just don't see the punishment of it. I don't think the words in Genesis referred to the actual giving birth pains, but rather the pains of worry, frustration and self-doubt that plague you as a parent. It's hard raising children to be the persons God created them and therein lies the suffering that was referred to in Genesis.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:54:34 PM PST
by
mockingbyrd
(Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
To: mockingbyrd
stupid internet...or person using the internet....sorry for the double post.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:56:24 PM PST
by
mockingbyrd
(Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
To: Pyro7480
Irish and Russians may be both "white," but they look different My point exactly. Maori is a naive of New Zealand, Australia. Hardly anything close to a 1st century Jew.
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posted on
12/04/2006 8:59:10 PM PST
by
kosta50
(Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: Pyro7480
Pyro, thanks for this. I think that Protestants generally have a more gnostic way of understanding most things, including virginity. Virgniity for them is only not having had sexual intercourse. That is part of the reason why it is irrelevant for them how Jesus's birth physically affected Mary, because for them there is no such thing as "physical virginity". Virginity is wholly extrinsic to the condition of the body; it is rather an extrinsic property, i.e. the property of not having engaged in or participated in some act.
Of course, most Protestants don't accept the perpetual virginity of Mary even according to the gnostic sense of virginity.
-A8
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:04:41 PM PST
by
adiaireton8
("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
To: Pyro7480; TomSmedley
OED observes that celibate and celibacy are the only cognates of each other in Latin, whereas Webster's comes up with a really forced-sounding derivation - Sanskrit "kevala" alone + Old English "libban" living.
But switching the consonant sounds in "Cybele" doesn't seem convincing either.
mrs VS
To: kosta50
Charlton Heston wasn't particularly Semitic looking to play Moses or Judah Ben Hur, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying the films anyway.
To: mockingbyrd
The Church does not have an official teaching regarding exactly how Christ entered the world. Actually, it does. Fr. Geiger cites the Catechism of the Council of Trent in both his review and in his vlog. The specific reference is in Part I, Article II, under "Second Part of This Article: "Born of the Virgin Mary." Here's what it says:
But as the Conception [of Jesus] itself transcends the order of nature, so also the birth of our Lord presents to our contemplation nothing but what is divine.
Besides, what is admirable beyond the power of thoughts or words to express, He is born of His Mother without any diminution of her maternal virginity, just as He afterword's went forth from the sepulchre while it was closed and sealed, and entered the room in which His disciples were assembled, the doors being shut; or, not to depart from every-day examples, just as the rays of the sun can penetrate without breaking our injuring in the least the solid substance of glass, so after a like but more exalted manner did Jesus Christ come forth from His Mother's womb without injury to her maternal virginity. The immaculate and perpetual virginity forms, therefore, the just theme of our eulogy. Such was the work of the Holy Ghost, who at the Conception and birth of the Son so favored the Virgin Mother as to impart to her fecundity while preserving inviolate her perpetual virginity.
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:09:32 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: Pyro7480
Okay, call me dense, but I don't see anything there that says exactly how Jesus was born. I do see that Our Lady remained completely virgin, but I already knew that. I'm saying it's God we're talking about. Our Lady could have given birth the traditional way and remained completely a virgin.
That which can function as a receptacle also functions as a conduit. Acting as a receptacle ends virginity, acting as a conduit does not.
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:17:52 PM PST
by
mockingbyrd
(Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
To: mockingbyrd
It's the part I boldfaced: But as the Conception [of Jesus] itself transcends the order of nature, so also the birth of our Lord presents to our contemplation nothing but what is divine.
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:19:43 PM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: L.N. Smithee
Say whaaaat? When did Jesus go "through closed doors"? John 20:19: Now when it was late the same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them: Peace be to you.
To: Pyro7480
Dude, this so making sense in my head. I'll try to explain myself to everyone else.
Of course the birth of Our Lord was absolutely divine, it was God made man being born. Conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit born of a virgin mother. I'm just saying that on top of all these miracles add that Our Lady gave birth (for reals) while remaining completely virgin. This view of the divine birth of the Lord makes much more sense to me, as a mother, than any other view. And that's my understanding, there is no absolute way to view this. Our Lady is perpetual virgin through the power and mystery of God.
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:24:27 PM PST
by
mockingbyrd
(Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
To: Pyro7480
Some excellent scriptural exegesis regarding Mary's Perpetual Virginity can be found at the University Dayton's Website
http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq/yq195.html
An excerpt from the article reads "But we do know dogmatically as Catholics that Mary would not have "bled" during her giving birth to Jesus. We know this from the dogma of Mary's Perpetual Virginity - before, after, and particularly during the birth of Jesus. It is an article of divine Catholic faith that Mary preserved her virginity - inviolate from any physical damage or destruction."
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posted on
12/04/2006 9:29:12 PM PST
by
lastchance
(Hug your babies.)
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